Sabour
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One-answer, first point. I agree that God is God and man is man. If a man receives God's spirit, as he receives and believes the Word of God, he does change his identity. He changes from a body-soul man into a body-soul-spirit man. The spirit of God is able to dwell in a man and make him a 'new creation'.
2 Corinthians 5:17: 'Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature [creation]: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.'
You may not wish to believe this scripture but it is a reality for many thousands of born-again Christians, myself included.
There is only one true version of the Bible, and that's the one delivered to the prophets in the original languages. But thankfully, after hundreds of years of scholarship we are now able to come very close to recognising exactly what those original words were. I have confidence that as we study the scriptures carefully the truth will be discerned, even revealed.
You say that the words of Jesus are contradicted. Please quote me one example, and we will look closely at it together.
Please provide just ONE that you think undermines the Christian belief in an unbroken scripture. Maybe one relating to the OP would prevent us from being off-topic.
The point I was making that a man remains a man. Jesus peace be upon him was a man. He used to feel hunger and pain. If we would talk about a "new creation" I would say that this would only represent a transformation in the life of a person where he become closer to God and all his acts are derived from the love towards God. He begins seeking becoming closer to God and looking after eternal life or heaven in everything little thing he does in his life. Jesus peace be upon him was like that since he was born becuase he was a a prophet and that is how prophets act. They are people of the highest example that we can follow.
As for the scripture I am sorry if I sounded rude, but I would rather share the truth than not caring. As a muslim I will be asked on the day of Judgement if I delivered the message or not. Besides, Quraan says clearly to us to tell the Christians not to say three (trinity).
As for what you said for becoming closer to the original bible I am afraid I don't agree. I think the bible is getting further away from the original one as time is passing.
Take this for example
The only verse indicating trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one) has been removed from the bible by 32 scholars of the bible in the Revised Standard Version among many other verses as fabrication after they realized that these verses do not exist in the most ancient manuscript and as such there is not a single verse indicating Trinity anymore in the complete bible.
John A-V {5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (This verse does not exist anymore in the RSV)
The fabrication of the Begotten Son
The word begotten has been removed from all Gospels by the same bible scholars as fabrication after they realized that this word does not exist in the most ancient manuscript.
John A-V {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (This word does not exist anymore in all Gospels in the RSV), so Jesus is not begotten by God where we find others still alleged to be begotten sons of God according to the bible. examples:
(if the word son, means begotten son )
David was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the bible). Psalms A-V {2:7} I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Israel was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the bible). Exodus A-V {4:22} And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel[is] my son, [even] my firstborn:
So the term Son of God in the language of the Jews means godly person not actual son of God and does not mean divinity at all, examples:
All Jews are sons of God (according to the bible). Psalms A-V {82:6} I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.
All those who follow the spirit of God are sons of God (according to the bible). Romans A-V {8:14} For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
What did you mean by "Please provide just ONE that you think undermines the Christian belief in an unbroken scripture. " ? I didn't understand.
Regards