Jesus did not die on the Cross

[Muffled]

[3:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[3:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[3:3] Allah is He beside Whom there is no God, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining.

I was with you 3:1-3, after that, the writer places a burden on man in the form of laws "including the entire book" and written by man, who is fallible and corruptible. No intelligent god would leave it man, to educate man about god. If "God" wishes you to know something about him, he'd tell you him/herself.

I believe this is your opinion with no basis in fact. We have facts: Jesus told His disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

 

[Jabar]

I believe the idea of corruption suggests that the Bible isn't what it should be but that is something that Muslims can't prove because it isn't true.

There is a slight and unimportant amount of this that does not alter the text that is there as opposed to the Qu'ran which has two grievous errors in it that comes by tampering with it.

I believe this does talk about the crucifixion:
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who among them considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due?

The word extension suggests an interruption of life so it is reasonable to see the resurrection as the extension of His life

The Bible has many contradictions and errors. Jesus never died on the Cross.

 

[Muffled]

That's not what I said nor inferred as I wasn't talking about the Quran. The inconsistency is actually on the part of the Abrahamic god. First he tells the Jews that they've been chosen to keep his laws & covenants, then he tells them 'forget that, you didn't do what I wanted so you're on your own' so he hits out with 'all mankind needs to believe in me and the Saviour I send to save you from the sin I entrapped humanity into, and finally he (apparently) tells people: actually, forget the first two gags. Just believe in me and admit you're my slave and you'll be fine.

God is all-powerful yet he doesn't have the power to be consistent.

I haven't seen any inconsistency and don't believe you have shown any.

I believe this is false. God has never claimed to trap people in sin. The one who sets snares by his deception is Satan.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible has many contradictions and errors. Jesus never died on the Cross.

I believe you are both deaf and blind to the truth. You haven't said anything true yet so I have to believe you are a child of Iblis. It does no good to argue with the devil and the Bible tells us to avoid it.

 

[Muffled]

I didn't mean about Jesus in particular but for example - in the Q it states whether based on a dream or not - there are 11 planets. Care to name them? Or should we go with 7 heavens which can loosely be translated by some as 7 planets which is a tad bit closer to reality as we know it.

The Bible on the other hand is jam packed with Jesus inconsistencies - take your pick. My favorite is his place of birth.

I believe I don't know what you are referring to by the "Q." The Qu'ran?

I haven't ever seen this in the Bible but we are up to ten if one counts Pluto which the scientists decided to demote.

I believe a planet can never be a heaven. A heaven is a space between things so it is the things that define the heavens. That is because in reality space is contiguous but things have their own sphere. So the space around solar systems is one space and the space around atoms is another space.

I believe I know of no inconsistency in that.

 

[Faronator]

I believe I don't know what you are referring to by the "Q." The Qu'ran?

I haven't ever seen this in the Bible but we are up to ten if one counts Pluto which the scientists decided to demote.

I believe a planet can never be a heaven. A heaven is a space between things so it is the things that define the heavens. That is because in reality space is contiguous but things have their own sphere. So the space around solar systems is one space and the space around atoms is another space.

I believe I know of no inconsistency in that.

Yes, that is what I am referring to and that's because it isn't in The Bible...

And we have 9 planets IF you count Pluto - hard to say what those other two ( maybe three ) the Qu'ran speak of are unless...

1. It was a wild guess

Or

2. They mistakenly called the Sun and our Moon a planet

 

[katiemygirl]

Question for my Muslim friends: What does the word "holy" mean in the Quran?

 

[katiemygirl]

I believe I don't know what you are referring to by the "Q." The Qu'ran?

I haven't ever seen this in the Bible but we are up to ten if one counts Pluto which the scientists decided to demote.

I believe a planet can never be a heaven. A heaven is a space between things so it is the things that define the heavens. That is because in reality space is contiguous but things have their own sphere. So the space around solar systems is one space and the space around atoms is another space.

I believe I know of no inconsistency in that.

Isn't heaven a spiritual realm, not defined by space nor time?

 

[katiemygirl]

Another question for my Muslim friends?

Why would Jesus, who was sinless, say He would die and be raised to life? Isn't lying a sin?

Sura 19:33 (Mariam) Jesus is quoted as saying, "So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life."

 

[Pastek]

Question for my Muslim friends: What does the word "holy" mean in the Quran?

In the Quran it's used for describing the Holy Spirit (rouh el qudus) which is understood as the angel Gabriel, it's also the name of the mosque in Jerusalem which in the Quran is "el masjed el aqsa" : the farthest mosque, known in arabic nowaday as El Qods (The Holy).

 

[katiemygirl]

In the Quran it's used for describing the Holy Spirit (rouh el qudus) which is understood as the angel Gabriel, it's also the name of the mosque in Jerusalem which in the Quran is "el masjed el aqsa" : the farthest mosque, known in arabic nowaday as El Qods (The Holy).

Thank you. I understand, but what does the word "holy" mean?

 

[Jabar]

I believe you are both deaf and blind to the truth. You haven't said anything true yet so I have to believe you are a child of Iblis. It does no good to argue with the devil and the Bible tells us to avoid it.

I have not said anything truth? http://www.discoveringislam.org/bible_scientific_errors.htm

You will find errors and contradictions there.

 

[Pastek]

Thank you. I understand, but what does the word "holy" mean?

The same meaning as in english.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I haven't seen any inconsistency and don't believe you have shown any.

I'm talking about the inconsistency in the Abrahamic god's behaviour portrayed from Christianity to Islam - assuming that both religions are, in fact, worshipping the same god. In Christianity, God says that humanity is inherently sinful and is in need of a mediator to redeem his sinful nature. By the time Islam comes on the scene, God appears to have dispensed with the need for a mediator as well as the accusation that humanity has an inherently sinful nature. That comes across as more than a bit inconsistent, no?

I believe this is false. God has never claimed to trap people in sin. The one who sets snares by his deception is Satan.

Why else would an all-knowing deity place something within arms reach knowing Adam & Eve would inevitably eat the fruit, especially since they didn't have the knowledge of right or wrong until after they had partaken of the fruit. That the fruit itself was the vessel by which Adam & Eve obtained knowledge of right & wrong - and that they were ordered not to eat of it - comes across as either an unintentional design flaw, or a deliberate ploy on the part of God. Why would he place knowledge in A&E's reach which would help them advance if they were not supposed to eat it?

It was entrapment.

 

[Pastek]

Another question for my Muslim friends?

Why would Jesus, who was sinless, say He would die and be raised to life? Isn't lying a sin?

Sura 19:33 (Mariam) Jesus is quoted as saying, "So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life."

We believe that when Jesus will come back then he will die (when God will decide it). That's because only God never dies so even Jesus will have a real death.

As for this verse, you have the same concerning John the Baptist :

19.12 [ Allah ] said, "O John, take the Scripture with determination." And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy

19.15 And peace be upon him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive.

 

[katiemygirl]

The same meaning as in english.

The Bible definition is: set apart, sacred

Do you agree?

 

[katiemygirl]

I have not said anything truth? http://www.discoveringislam.org/bible_scientific_errors.htm

You will find errors and contradictions there.

You will find errors and contradictions in the Quran here.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/errors-in-quran.html

 

[Pastek]

The Bible definition is: set apart, sacred

Do you agree?

Kind of, even if i wouldn't give the meaning of "sacred" for the angel Gabriel.

 

[katiemygirl]

We believe that when Jesus will come back then he will die (when God will decide it). That's because only God never dies so even Jesus will have a real death.

As for this verse, you have the same concerning John the Baptist :

19.12 [ Allah ] said, "O John, take the Scripture with determination." And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy

19.15 And peace be upon him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive.

That is not what Jesus said. Jesus places being born first, then dying second, and being raised last.

The same is said about John. Born first, death second, resurrection last.

So why do you believe Jesus will come back and then die? What verse in the Quran says this?

 

[katiemygirl]

Kind of, even if i wouldn't give the meaning of "sacred" for the angel Gabriel.

Kind of? Do you know the official definition of the word "holy" in the Quran? Can you direct me to a source if you do not know the answer? I would very much appreciate it.