Jesus did not die on the Cross

[paarsurrey]

It has been explained on other threads that (most) Christians believe that Jesus is God in human form. He's not a separate deity. You should stop misrepresenting other beliefs you claim to have love for.

It is my love of the religion "Christianity" and its followers that I present to them the true teachings of Jesus.
Regards

 

[RabbiO]

It is my love of the religion "Christianity" and its followers that I present to them the true teachings of Jesus.
Regards

I couldn't decide which was more appropriate, this -



or this

 

[paarsurrey]

I couldn't decide which was more appropriate, this -



or this

No need to hide one's face. One may express fully.
Regards

 

[RabbiO]

No need to hide one's face. One may express fully.
Regards

You apparently have a very short memory. This is basically the same response you gave the last time I used the face palm emoji. I explained it to you the last time. I'm not going to do it again.

 

[Faronator]

Thats fair enough.

These planets have too many scientific arguments for and against Thus I concede, I am no scientist.

I think you were referring to Yusufs episode.

First, this verse does not say dream. It is derived as a dream based on the next verse which says Ru'ya by some (' is an Ain or Ghain), which is vision in the Quranic context, not dream.

This word Kawkabun can be planets, stars and orbs. If the context is within the solar system it will refer to planets and orbs. That's the natural rendition of the classical Arabic word.

Nevertheless, I though you were referring to inconsistencies of the Jesus narrative in the Quran.

Any which way you look at it (stars, orbs, etc) it is wrong and nothing in the Quran is supposed to be wrong, is it?

And I've always heard it referred to as a dream which I guess COULD be another word for vision, right?

 

[Faronator]

It also means "stars". 2 words in arabic for star : najem (noujoum plural), kawkeb (kawakeb plural)

So sometimes it may be translated differently.

For exemple in the surah 55.6 some translate the word "noujoum" (stars) as herbs.

Here (Sahih international) noujoum = stars : http://www.quran.com/55
Here(Yusuf Ali) noujoum = herbs : http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/?Sura=55&FromVerse=29&Translation=Eng-Yusuf Ali&Script=Usmani

Cool! But wouldn't 11 stars be further from the truth? I would definitely say so.

 

[Faronator]

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it to his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed yet a dream: and, behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars made obeisance to me.

I believe you should understand that dreams are not necessarily factual.

Then why mention them?

 

[Faronator]

Pluto isn't considered a planet anymore by most so that evens the playing field though unless I am mistaken.

 

[Jabar]

Yes, however the true belief is that Jesus is not God in human form. Their own teachings do not have that claim. Just Christians today do not know how to read the Bible correctly.

 

[Jabar]

Here you go:

Quran: Chapter Yusuf(Joseph) A.

12:4. When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.

You pointed out the same so called error in the Qur'an as well. But you were proved wrong.

 

[Faronator]

You pointed out the same so called error in the Qur'an as well. But you were proved wrong.

Proved wrong how? By you making an argument and when I question it - you tried to edit your comments to change your argument? Don't start again dude. You don't even understand the concept of proper grammar much less truth.

 

[Jabar]

Proved wrong how? By you making an argument and when I question it - you tried to edit your comments to change your argument? Don't start again dude. You don't even understand the concept of proper grammar much less truth.

There is no verse in the Qur'an that says there are 7 planets. Give me one, brother.

 

[Faronator]

There is no verse in the Qur'an that says there are 7 planets. Give me one, brother.

What? You are way off topic and as usual pulling stuff out of your ***. If you are referring to a DIFFERENT post where I said 7 heavens - okay? Quit trolling and discuss the topic at hand and go learn how to form complete sentences. Thanks!

 

[Jabar]

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it to his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed yet a dream: and, behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars made obeisance to me.

I believe you should understand that dreams are not necessarily factual.

If Jesus was God, how did he die on the cross? Would that mean God died? Besides, if he ''died'' for our sins, then does that justify murder, rape, and evil acts?

 

[Jabar]

What? You are way off topic and as usual pulling stuff out of your ***. If you are referring to a DIFFERENT post where I said 7 heavens - okay? Quit trolling and discuss the topic at hand and go learn how to form complete sentences. Thanks!

Since that was in a different thread, i wont talk about it. No problem.

 

[paarsurrey]

If Jesus was God, how did he die on the cross? Would that mean God died? Besides, if he ''died'' for our sins, then does that justify murder, rape, and evil acts?

Yes, that proves Jesus was not a god.
Regards

 

[firedragon]

Any which way you look at it (stars, orbs, etc) it is wrong and nothing in the Quran is supposed to be wrong, is it?

And I've always heard it referred to as a dream which I guess COULD be another word for vision, right?

It was a vision. It does not say the solar system has a certain number of celestial bodies.

And when was Pluto considered a sub planet? And out of the eleven planets several were deemed as not planets? Whats gonna turn up in the future?

In a topic discussing it Jesus died on the cross you have brought up some error you found as argument. Which I thought was an inconcistancy in the Quran about Jesus.

 

[Faronator]

If Jesus was God, how did he die on the cross? Would that mean God died? Besides, if he ''died'' for our sins, then does that justify murder, rape, and evil acts?

It was a vision. It does not say the solar system has a certain number of celestial bodies.

And when was Pluto considered a sub planet? And out of the eleven planets several were deemed as not planets? Whats gonna turn up in the future?

In a topic discussing it Jesus died on the cross you have brought up some error you found as argument. Which I thought was an inconcistancy in the Quran about Jesus.

Yes, Jesus probably died on the cross like the hundreds of others that were crucified around the same time as he was. Does it matter? Not at all.

What does matter is that he was presumably crucified for the same reason as many others: being a threat to the ruling empire and garnering a following.

 

[firedragon]

Yes, Jesus probably died on the cross like the hundreds of others that were crucified around the same time as he was. Does it matter? Not at all.

What does matter is that he was presumably crucified for the same reason as many others: being a threat to the ruling empire and garnering a following.

Of course he was. But the question here was if he died on the cross. I know that topics are ridiculous because we don't stick to them. But not to say it doesn't matter.

 

[Faronator]

Of course he was. But the question here was if he died on the cross. I know that topics are ridiculous because we don't stick to them. But not to say it doesn't matter.

Good thing I don't fit that paradigm as I just answered the question in direct relation to the topic at hand. Sorry I threw in my two cents in addition to that for the sake of conversation/debate.


Okay forum members - from here on out: please respond with yes or no, yay or nay. Thanks in advance.