Jesus Died For Us?

[lunamoth]

Who is this us? Resurrection, you think he died and came back to lfie magically?

:flower:

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Nice flower. How much was it?

 

[logician]

The offender requires forgiveness from the one offended. Since we bear the image of God, whenever we sin, we not only offend the person, we also offend the one in whose image the victim was made.

Really, who told you this?

 

[Dunemeister]

Really, who told you this?

Various teachers who stand in the Christian tradition.

 

[lilithu]

Who is this us?

Methinks it's a self-selecting group. If you don't consider yourself part of "us" then no one is going to force you to be.

 

[Scott1]

Why do sins need to be forgiven by an external entity?

What is your definition of a "sin"?

 

[BillBo]

Jesus 'died' to act as a catalyse for the forming of the religion of Christianity is one way of looking at it. Remember this was part of God's plan that Jesus should 'die' and then to be resurrected into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Manipulated]

What is free in the universe,nothing, everything is paid for or bartered for. something is exchanged for another, science is proof of that. Nothing escapes the system of universal laws, not even God. No doubt God is a chess player and he will sacrifice to win the game.

 

[lilithu]

What is free in the universe,nothing, everything is paid for or bartered for. something is exchanged for another, science is proof of that.

Really? :sarcastic

Nothing escapes the system of universal laws, not even God. No doubt God is a chess player and he will sacrifice to win the game.

By definition, God sets the universal laws. You can believe in a God that sets the laws. Or you can believe that no God exists and there are simply laws. But the idea that God is subservient to natural law contradicts the definition of God.


Love is free, requiring no payment or bartering. I'd hate to live in your version of the universe.

 

[Manipulated]

Really? :sarcastic


By definition, God sets the universal laws. You can believe in a God that sets the laws. Or you can believe that no God exists and there are simply laws. But the idea that God is subservient to natural law contradicts the definition of God.


Love is free, requiring no payment or bartering. I'd hate to live in your version of the universe.

I know this is hard to understand, but we live in a paradoxical universe, everything is measured. What is the definition of God, please inform?
The truth is sometimes the most frightening.

 

[Darkness]

He's alive in my heart..I bring Him shame..But He lives in my heart..

It is God who should be ashamed for the atrocities He committed.

 

[lilithu]

It is God who should be ashamed for the atrocities He committed.

Pray tell, what "atrocities" has God committed?

 

[lilithu]

I know this is hard to understand, but we live in a paradoxical universe, everything is measured.

That sentence doesn't even make sense. What is "paradoxical" about "everything" being "measured"?

What is the definition of God, please inform?

At the very least, Creator.

The truth is sometimes the most frightening.

What is even more frightening is people who think they know the truth.

 

[budhabee]

Jesus knew he was to be a sacrifice for our enlightenment. like osiris before him and many others. He understood this concept. He also knew it to be a correct one.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I learnt nothing from Christ sacrificing himself.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I neither need nor want forgiveness.

You won't get it then.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I don't believe that Jesus died as a sacrifice for our sins. He died the way that Gandhi and King died. They did not choose to die, but they chose to live for justice and love, full well knowing that it might cause their deaths. In that respect, they died for us.

It's interesting how you take a Biblical person and apply non-Biblical meaning to Him.

Sherlock Holmes was my favorite rugby player too.

 

[lilithu]

It's interesting how you take a Biblical person and apply non-Biblical meaning to Him.

Sherlock Holmes was my favorite rugby player too.

Are you saying that Jesus didn't really exist?

Suit yourself.

As I said in a previous post, those teachings and stories came from somewhere. It's simply easier to attribute them to a historical person named Jesus than to speculate otherwise.

 

[logician]

He does live for us. It's not either/or but both/and.

Why do you use the term "us", which is presumptive for anyone not of the Christian faith. At least just use the expression "He does live for me".

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Can someone walk me through this whole concept?

If he died for us, why couldn't he lives for us instead?

Wow, six pages and no one has walked you through anything but a morass of horse hoop.

I'll try and keep this simple and scriptural. The wages of sin is death. All have sinned, ergo all die.

Christ didn't sin and the curse of death was not on Him both because He never sinned and He wasn't of the (fatherly) linneage of Adam. He chose to pay the price for mankind's sin, a price which He didn't owe, so that all might live.

That Christ rose again shows His power over death.

All will be ressurected. Some, who accept Christ, will live for eternity in Heaven. Those who reject Him will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.