Response: Yes, but Jesus never claims divinity out of his own mouth. In fact, in Matthew 15:9, Jesus says, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching (for) doctrines the commandments of men."
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Jesus in the Qur'an and the Bible
- Thread starter Fatihah
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Response: Yes, but Jesus never claims divinity out of his own mouth. In fact, in Matthew 15:9, Jesus says, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching (for) doctrines the commandments of men."
kai
ragamuffin
we dont have anything ,nothing, zilch from jesus's own mouth, he never wrote anything down ,no one says he wrote anything down, your all chasing the wind here. its all anectodal. When will people stop arguing over such things like i said before not one of you can prove anything its all a matter of faith.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I'd suggest you have a read through of the Bible again..
You'd think if that was the case, when they said "son of God", he'd go "WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? ARE YOU MAD, MAN?" But he didn't.
First off, you have to decide what son of God means. Do you take it literally (as you as a Muslim probably will), meaning he was an offspring of God, or do you take it metaphorical (as I do) for meaning he was a righteous man who was following as God's servant like a son follows their father's trade?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I do adore the world famous Muslim sense of humour. Muhammad followed Jesus. That's rich.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Hehe. Ummm, Fatihah, you do understand the context that this is given in, correct?
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Matthew 15:9 is from Isaiah 29:13.
If you actually read the chapter in context:
"Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"
(Matthew 15. Here, Matthew 15:6-9)
This is a prophechy Isaiah (Isaiah 29) fulfilled according to Jesus - not Jesus saying "They worship me in vain!", but "Isaiah was right, he said you would worship God in vain, but their faith is only made up rules".
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Perhaps we both managed to read this incorrectly, both at the same time. Stranger things have happened. In context though, the passage is pretty clear.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Lol! We might have.
Never mind, my mistake. After reading this wikipedia article: Messiah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, it looks as if I was mistaken.
HOWEVER, there are those who believe, apparently, that the coming of the Messiah would bring about the Messianic Age, which would be an age of peace. Obviously THAT didn't happen. ^_^
Response: Yes.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
My guess is that it is because we are in denial of the truth as Fatihah sees it to be.Um.
So how is it still a valid argument?
Muhammad Rasulullah
Member
Firstly the title "Son of God" ill befits the majesty of Allah literally and metaphorically. And it is also not what I believe but what the christians believe the meaning is. Also its not that he didn't respond saying what are you talking about but was it documented. The bible was man made put together by a group of men in 325 ad and canonized as official and what is now what every christian takes as authentic. Who knows what Jesus actually said. But I agree that this phrase "Son of God" should be viewed from a biblical perspective in its usage not as an offspring but as a righteous person. And I have read through the bible many times and do not see thebeliefs christians come up with.I'd suggest you have a read through of the Bible again..
You'd think if that was the case, when they said "son of God", he'd go "WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? ARE YOU MAD, MAN?" But he didn't.
First off, you have to decide what son of God means. Do you take it literally (as you as a Muslim probably will), meaning he was an offspring of God, or do you take it metaphorical (as I do) for meaning he was a righteous man who was following as God's servant like a son follows their father's trade?
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Hehehheh
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Why does it ill befit the majesty of "Allah" metaphorically?
I agree, it is a bit strange, but they're not hurting anyone with it.
So basically this translates to: "I don't mind the way you view it".
See the beliefs Christians come up with, but I don't believe it. I see it as only scratching the surface.
Um.
So how is it still a valid argument?
Response: How is it not? Jesus says to worship him would be vain.
Response: No. It's because it means what it says. Your denial is another issue.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
No he doesn't?
He says that the rabbis would be worshipping God in vain, because they don't follow what God has taught and they follow teachings of men instead.
This was often done by the way that they interpreted Biblical verses.