It's hard to keep up with you
@Trailblazer.
Now Jesus is human again when before he was only part human.
Jesus was always fully human, a human with a dual nature -- one nature human, the other nature divine.
Of course he is.
"In him dwelleth the fullness of the godhead bodily." (Col 2:9)
Of course Jesus isn't God.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us
there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by
that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the
image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Exodus 33:20 But He said, “You cannot see My face;
for no man shall see Me, and live.
Jesus pre-existed as God prior to his birth as the Son of Man.
That is a false dogma that has no basis in the Bible.
The soul of Jesus pre-existed
with God in the spiritual world before His body was born in this world.
The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.
(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)
As the begotten Son of God he is God. As the Son of Man, he is man. That is the pattern set by God.
Jesus was not begotten by God since God is not a biological creature who begets children.
Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit and then He was born of Mary.
The Holy Spirit is not God. It is the Bounty of God.
Sorry
@Trailblazer, but it's pretty clear Jesus is the Word, and that "
In the beginning..." he already
was:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1)
"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us" (John 1:14)
"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God"(Revelation 19:13)
Maybe Jesus was with God in the beginning. So what? That does not mean that Jesus is God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus was the Word.
The Word was God because Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.
The Word was with God because Jesus was with God in the spiritual world before He was born in this world.
The following two verses are about God. All things were created by God.
John 1
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
I'm not sure you understand what "dual" means in "dual nature".
I'm not sure you understand what "dual" means in "dual nature"so I will straighten that out for you.
“Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself. To this testifieth the tradition: “Manifold and mysterious is My relationship with God. I am He, Himself, and He is I, Myself, except that I am that I am, and He is that He is.” …. The second station is the human station, exemplified by the following verses: “I am but a man like you.” “Say, praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?”
He is FULLY God and FULLY man, so of course, as FULLY God he has all the attributes of God, and as FULLY man, he has all the attributes of man. You have shown nothing to refute this.
Since Jesus is not God, Jesus does not have the following attributes of God:
Certain attributes are unique to God. Only God is Sovereign, Holy, All-Powerful, All-Knowing, All-Wise, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, Omnipresent, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, and Immaterial. Nobody except God has those attributes.
I just showed you what refutes your claim that Jesus is God.
Of course these verses state all things were created by Jesus! Did you even bother to read the text in context??
Of course these verses state that all things were created by God.
Colossians 1
14 [Jesus] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 [Jesus] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him [the invisible God] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Jesus is the
image of the invisible God. That means that Jesus cannot be God because an image of God is not God.
God is invisible. Jesus was visible so Jesus cannot be God.
That was easy as pie!
That was HORRENDOUS
@Trailblazer.
Verse 16 is STILL about the preexistent Jesus. The subject has not been "switched".
That is laughable. Verse 16 is about God, not about Jesus.
By him (God) all things were created. Jesus did not create a darn thing.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Please read Hebrews 1:2:
“In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.”
If you will excuse the expression, that's crap. God did not need Jesus to create the universe.
I have not heard anything that funny all year, but it is only September.
Paul glorified Jesus and made Jesus into someone who He never was. History speaks for itself.
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Nothing???
I suggest refraining from "proof texts" and reading Genesis 1, Colossians 1, and Hebrews 1 again. GOD, not just the Father, worked ALONE. All three persons of our one, triune God had a hand in creation.
There are no Persons except in your man-made Trinity doctrine.
God worked alone to create the creation.
Our redeemer is not Jesus???
Nonsensical
@Trailblazer. Apparently you are proof texting or allowing yourself to be proof texted.
This will help:
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace. (Eph 1:7)
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. (Hebrews 9:12)
Jesus redeemed us on the cross because He gave His life as a ransom for the sins of humanity.
But Jesus is not the Redeemer that Isaiah 44:24 was referring to. The Old Testament is about God, not about Jesus. Everything is not about Jesus.
the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, the maker of all things, is God, not Jesus.
Isaiah 44:24 “Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching our the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.”
Incorrect and untrue!
"When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will NEVER walk in darkness, but will have the light of life" (John 8:12)
Jesus also said:
John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Jesus is no longer in the world so He is no longer the light of the world.
"The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 27)
The same Lord providing light at Psalm 27 is the same Lord at John 8:12.
There is but one true light, one true Savior, not two lights with two Saviors, and that's because Jesus is God.
Psalm 27 is not about Jesus, it is about God.
John 8:12 is not about the Lord, it is about Jesus. Jesus is not the Lord. God is the Lord.
