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Jesus is not God

Oeste

Well-Known Member
You can't have read your own text critically, too busy making sure it says only what you want to hear.
This is an unsupported hypothesis, based on conjecture. The evidence presented is self-evident, dismissing several myths on the forum regarding Nicea.
Jesus, from the standpoint of the historic Christian church, is God in the flesh.
But only after the adoption of the Trinity doctrine, which as you appear to agree, is incoherent, in the 4th century CE ie NOT in the NT,

"Jesus is God" was a settled matter for the church, as any heresy that "Jesus is NOT God" was quickly dismissed and condemned by the churches, almost as quickly and effectively as done here. The major questions regarding the church was never IF "Jesus is God", but HOW "Jesus is God".

Jesus was borne of Mary so he is man, and He is the only begotten of God, which means he is God.


I've already twice invited you to win the argument by pointing out a clear statement in the NT of Jesus saying, "I am God".

You haven't done so.

And that's because you can't.

No, it simply means I have no obligation to do so when the OP contains insufficient evidence to support the initial premise that "Jesus is NOT God" made by Andy.

You have not posted Jesus's "I am NOT God" statement because you can't. We, on the other hand, have shown Jesus is God several times.

But Christians are full of second chances and opportunities, so let's give you another:


Question 1: Logical Deduction

Here is a simple thought experiment about the nature of begotten things which I've presented previously.

The only begotten Son of Frog is Frog.
The only begotten Son of Dog is Dog.
The only begotten Son of Man is Man.
The only begotten Son of God is ___________?

The first answer, which I believe was from you, involved some mistaken notion involving physical copulation.
The second answer I received was circular: "The only begotten Son of God is: 'the Son of God'".
The third answer was that God does not beget, which of course scripture expressly denies.

None of the answers from our unbelieving friends agrees with the other, and unlike the first 3 answers which no one argued against, provides no ongoing pattern, biblical support, or further understanding regarding the nature of the Son of God.

I was hoping you might provide us with a more coherent response.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Question 2: Consistent Analysis


Here's another answer you can provide. It goes a bit further than simply quoting "proof-texts" and helps determine if their is any consistency to your answers.

Who alone is good according to A(Mark 10:18), B)Luke 18:19, C) Mat 19:17?

A)"...No one is good except God alone."
B)"...No one is good but One, that is, God"
C)“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. "

1.____________________?


Who is the ONLY person Jesus EVER referred to as good?

2.___________________?

Who is our Lord and Shepard as referenced in Psalm 23?

"The Lord is my Shepard..."

3.___________________?


Considering Jesus states only __________ is good 3 different times, who is our GOOD SHEPARD as referenced in John 1:11?

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.


4. _________________?


that's because because not only do none of the five versions of Jesus ever claim to be God, but all five expressly deny that they are

You're the only person I know who can walk into a funeral service, hear the testimony of 6 different people, deduce they were talking about 6 different people, and after seeing only 1 casket wonder where the other 5 caskets are, and when they object and tell you they were all testifying about the same person, further deduce they must be talking about a 7th person because none of the original 6 testimonies matched.

I've set those denials out for you.

Game, set and match.
Your caskets don't match and this argument about several different Jesuses strains the bounds of reasoned credibility.

Please give Benson a pat from me when next you see him.

And give Schrödinger's cat a pet for me. Hopefully he's still alive and well.
 

Oeste

Well-Known Member
The authenticated Meggido Mosaic with its inscription does not tell us Jesus is God,

It appears it does since the words "God Jesus Christ" is clearly on the Mosaic. Whether anyone believes "Jesus is God" is up to the individual.


it tells us in the 3rd century, there are group of people who worshipped Jesus as God.
Exactly! Neither "Trinity" or "Jesus is God" is a 4th century construct ordained by Constantine at Nicaea as some posters have postulate on this forum.

Likewise, worshipping idols predates Christianity by thousands of years, that does not tell us the idols are Gods, it tells us thousands of years before Christianity, idols-worshipping was already in practice.

Certainly idol worship predates Christianity, but I see no connection with the Meggido Mosaic. Nothing suggests this early Christian church was worshiping idols All that was found were the inscriptions and table where the emblems were performed, and a mural of two fish in the center that symbolized Christian faith at the time. No images of animals or humans, and neither the mosaic, table or inscriptions can be considered idols.
 
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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is an unsupported hypothesis, based on conjecture. The evidence presented is self-evident, dismissing several myths on the forum regarding Nicea.
Accordingly you accept the reality of Benson, although he's not mentioned in the NT, I take it?
"Jesus is God" was a settled matter for the church, as any heresy that "Jesus is NOT God" was quickly dismissed and condemned by the churches, almost as quickly and effectively as done here.
That has never been the issue in our discussions. The issue is and has been whether the NT portrays Jesus as God ─ and since every version of Jesus in the NT denies he's God and never claims to be God, I'd have thought you could have the grace to admit that in this respect your purse is empty.

What later councils thought worked better is a matter for them.
The major questions regarding the church was never IF "Jesus is God", but HOW "Jesus is God".
And as you know, the Trinity doctrine is not only incoherent but admitted to be so. That on top of its contradicting the Jesuses of the NT. But I readily concede faith can believe whatever it likes. Our argument has been about whether the NT agrees with the doctrine, and as you know, it doesn't.
Jesus was borne of Mary so he is man, and He is the only begotten of God, which means he is God.
And Benson is his pet dog. I have no trouble with you believing as you please, just with your making false or uncomprehending claims about the NT.
You have not posted Jesus's "I am NOT God" statement because you can't. We, on the other hand, have shown Jesus is God several times.
Now now! Let's keep our statements honest here. Otherwise people might think you're a sulky loser, incapable of learning.
Here is a simple thought experiment about the nature of begotten things which I've presented previously.
The only begotten Son of Frog is Frog.
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You forget that the Jesus of Mark is a standard model mortal until God adopts him as [his] son on the model of God's adoption of David as [his] son (Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33).

And recall that Mark's Jesus is the prototype for the other three gospels, who embellish, subtract from, add to and generally adjust each version of Jesus to the particular author's wishes.

And recall that we're not told how the Jesus of Paul or the Jesus of John came to earth, but they were 'descended from David', suggesting that they were born to a standard Jewish couple, the male being descended from David and providing the relevant spermatozoon.

Whereas we're told bald fairy tale silliness with the virgin births of the Jesus of Matthew and the Jesus of Luke, who get their Y-chromosome from God, with more bald silliness in their being descended from David via fake and irreconcilable "genealogies" which are anyway for Joseph, out loud and proud in these two versions NOT the father of Jesus.

Really, the NT is supposed to be your book ─ yo should read it some time.
 
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Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
No Soapy, neither of us are strawmen.

Please read the post from @learner Daniel again.

It is the DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's PREMISE or ARGUMENT that becomes the strawman. A DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's argument is always easier to support or knock down. The poster is never the strawman.

This may be disappointing, and I'm sorry if it unmakes your day. The important thing to remember on the forums is that while it's fine and dandy to attack a poster's argument it's not okay to attack the poster. This is a rule enforced by the moderators.

Thus, ad-hominems are prohibited.
You’re toying with definitions to get away from the FACTS… I know that PEOPLE create Strawman [arguments]. My point was that the Strawman was created from YOUR MIND… therefore, in effect ‘YOU ARE WHAT YOU SAY’ therefore you are that Strawman you created… So, Perhaps you should remember that, which is my opinion of your posts!… an adhomine against your posts!!!
 
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Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Dud, Jesus is Lord and God

John 20:28
Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”
That was THOMAS’ misconception. It wasn’t scriptural.

Point of fact, none of the other ten disciples agreed with Thomas by virtue of the fact that none of them exclaimed the same claim.

In addition, Jesus TOLD Thomas, ‘Touch me and see that I am not a Spirit’…. GOD IS SPIRIT.

Jesus told Thomas that he, Jesus, is FLESH AND BONE… Man is Flesh and Bone.
 
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Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Because I am responding to posts about the Father, just as I had to respond to your post about the Holy Spirit.
I see that you cannot justify a three person GOD by reference to ONLY TWO OF THOSE PERSONS… A ONE PERSON GOD cannot be SEPARATED into three parts and then only spoken of AS ONE PERSON. It’s ALL THREE or NONE - which is why GOD IS ONE is only ever spoken as ONE: The Father; YAHWEH.

If you cannot respect the posts of others @Soapy, then do not expect anyone here to respect yours.
That is a personal attack on me… you said you [plural] are not allowed do that, didn’t you?!

I SAID … that YOU, directing ME, to read the posts of OTHERS, which are in fact, incorrect in themselves, in order to attempt to justify YOUR CLAIM, is a FALSE ARGUMENT… TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT!!
Your statement is simply a bitter aftertaste from fruite of your own making. You claim we post "nonsense" but you show no credible basis for it. We get your opinion but it is not substantive.
That is false… I make every valid claim.. Your posts just knee jerk ‘invalid’ against mine because it’s the easy way out for your claims. I show WHY your posts are incorrect - I KNOW why your posts are incorrect, and I show it.
Sounds like you're convinced our current canon is a mixture of truth and lies because you don't agree with it, and you feel it should be changed to something more to your liking?
So, you cannot answer… I DID NOT SAY that the CANON was incorrect - I SAID that CERTAIN VERSES in [them] were modified JUST AS JESUS said would happen… are you going to claim that Jesus was wrong… please just answer that question - then add what you want!
These verses are not relevant to the discussion or to the OP's assertion. They are simply a diversion.
EVERYTHING I post is relevant to the discussion. It may appear as a diversion IF YOU WANT to escape answering what I ask you and/or do not know HOW TO answer since you may be unaware of the truth…
I am not posting here to show what the vast majority of Christians already believe...that Jesus is God.
Oh dear, there’s that statement again: ‘The vast majority of Christians’…

Are you not yet aware that it is ‘THE VAST MAJORITY’ who are on the road to Perdition?
  • “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.” (Matt 7:13-14)
I am posting here to ask what evidence there is that "Jesus is not God". Do you have any such evidence or not?
Are you kidding??? The whole of creation, the whole of the Scriptures, the whole of what Jesus says and does, are TESTIMONY that he, Jesus, IS NOT GOD… ‘How do you say, Show me that Jesus is not God”…? Have you been studying and listening to me for so long and you yet do not understand?

One statement then:
  • ‘… for us [true believers of which you are clearly not one of us … one of us… one of us..] there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;’ (1 Cor 8:6…)
So, it is hard for you to know the ONE TRUE GOD since you are of the ‘For Us’… I understand, the church has taught you, you have read and believed, it has been reinforced BY OTHERS, you have been deluded by desires to be on the smooth road with the VAST MAJORITY… yeah, of course you are not ‘One of us’ (in my opinion!)

The verse CLEARLY STATES that the Father is the one and only God. Yes, it ALSO goes to to STATE that JESUS is the ONLY Lord.

Oeste, ‘GOD’ is as superior to ‘Lord’ as KING is superior to Prince.

And Jesus is HEIR to GOD…

How is Jesus HEIR TO GOD if he IS GOD?

Would you say that the Father is also HEIR to GOD… and the Holy Spirit, which you are reluctant to mention (see previous discussion on this point) is also HEIR to GOD?

Please can you justify your answers please.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
(Indented text are your words)
  • “I'm not seeing that in scripture.”
  • “Of course not. The Father is God though”
That’s so funny because you say you don’t see ‘the Father is God’ and you immediately follow that by agreeing that the Father IS GOD!!!?????
  • “Exactly! Any other God but God is a false God. This is why they come under judgement.”
No and Yes!!!!
No: ‘GOD’ is a term MEANING ‘The GREATEST’ by context … We use it in every day speech:
… ‘The judge is GOD in his courtroom’
… ‘Satan is GOD of this system of things’
… ‘The Chess Grandmaster is GOD of his game’
Replace the SUPERLATIVE ADJECTIVE in each of those sentences with another SUPERLATIVE ADJECTIVE and see what its meaning is no different!:
… ‘The judge is THE GREATEST [authority] in his courtroom’
… ‘Satan is THE GREATEST [ruler] of this system of things’
… ‘The Chess Grandmaster is THE GREATEST [of all players] of his game’

The part in bracket sets a CONTEXT…. which is followed by the end part of the claim.

Hence we can write/say:
… ‘Our God is GOD…’
Meaning: ‘Our God is GREATEST OF ALL WHOM ARE CALLED ‘GODS’’

The FALSE GODS… are those whom PAGAN NATIONS make for themselves in terms of carved, hewed.. clay, wood, rock, metal… such as with Abraham’s Father’ GODS, those BELIEVED ON as ETHEREAL (Spirit) DEITIES such those of the GODS of the Egyptians, the Hindus, the Philistines, etc. The true God PROVED to the Jews and at least one pagan nation that such ‘false God’ are useless - do not give your worship to THEM!!!
  • "...AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent"
Oeste, ‘ETERNAL LIFE’ depends on believing in BOTH The Father AND Jesus Christ…. Jesus Christ WHOM THE FATHER SENT!!

So, no! Jesus Christ is NOT THE FATHER nor THE GOD who SENT Jesus Christ … tautology…

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Oeste, I believe that you know full well what and why you wrote what you wrote…. My advise is to stop it and write the truth… what we are discussing is [not] for the dispensation of truth and Godliness…. Not for amusement and ‘devils advocacy’!!!
 

Feedmysheep

Active Member
Yes, Jesus is God-man. And He came that we also may become God-men.
That is to the extent the communicable attributes (not the non-communicable ones) become wrought into our being.
 

Feedmysheep

Active Member
I see that you cannot justify a three person GOD by reference to ONLY TWO OF THOSE PERSONS… A ONE PERSON GOD cannot be SEPARATED into three parts and then only spoken of AS ONE PERSON. It’s ALL THREE or NONE - which is why GOD IS ONE is only ever spoken as ONE: The Father; YAHWEH.

Are you kidding??? The whole of creation, the whole of the Scriptures, the whole of what Jesus says and does, are TESTIMONY that he, Jesus, IS NOT GOD… ‘How do you say, Show me that Jesus is not God”…? Have you been studying and listening to me for so long and you yet do not understand?
Jesus is God going through a process that God and humanity may be mingled as one.

God has gone through a process for His eternal purpose to unite, mingle, and be incorporated in saved humanity.

Jesus is not the raw Yahweh but the (for lack of a better phrase) the cooked or processed Yahweh so that He can be one with
us in life, nature, and expression.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Yes, Jesus is God-man. And He came that we also may become God-men.
That is to the extent the communicable attributes (not the non-communicable ones) become wrought into our being.
‘God-man’… how do you justify that claim?

If Jesus is GOD, how can he ALSO be MAN?

So, tell me:
  1. Is Jesus LESS THAN GOD because Jesus is tainted with fallible flesh (‘see me, touch me, … I am flesh and bone’)
  2. Is Jesus GREATER THAN GOD exactly because Jesus is BOTH GOD AND MAN?
And also:
  1. Is the Father LESS THAN Jesus BECAUSE he cannot be FLESH AND BONE?
  2. What is the SPIRIT OF GOD… how is the Spirit of God … a PERSON? Is YOUR SPIRIT (the Spirit of YOU) also another Person?
Thanks in advance for your reply… They are gonna be interesting!!!
 

Feedmysheep

Active Member
‘God-man’… how do you justify that claim?
Many, many places in the Bible reveal that.
Would you prefer evidence from the Old Testament or the New?

Okay, there are so many places. But I will submit one noteble one - the Word who was God became flesh.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us (and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only Begotten from the Father), full of grace and reality. (John 1:1,14)

If Jesus is GOD, how can he ALSO be MAN?
In John Jesus would prefer that we believe His words that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him.
But if we cannot believe His words, He advized us to let His works speak for themselves.
This is seen when Phillip requested that Jesus simply show them the Father.

Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father and it is sufficient for us.
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how is it that you say, Show us the Father?

Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father who abides in Me does His works.

Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves. (John 14:8-11)


I must suspend discussion now and come back to these points latter.
So, tell me:
  1. Is Jesus LESS THAN GOD because Jesus is tainted with fallible flesh (‘see me, touch me, … I am flesh and bone’)
  2. Is Jesus GREATER THAN GOD exactly because Jesus is BOTH GOD AND MAN?
And also:
  1. Is the Father LESS THAN Jesus BECAUSE he cannot be FLESH AND BONE?
  2. What is the SPIRIT OF GOD… how is the Spirit of God … a PERSON? Is YOUR SPIRIT (the Spirit of YOU) also another Person?
Thanks in advance for your reply… They are gonna be interesting!!!
 

Oeste

Well-Known Member
Really, the NT is supposed to be your book ─ yo should read it some time.
Lol, nothing in your post addresses the points I made or the scripture quoted. Instead we still have a supposed variety of Jesuses, a continued misunderstanding of the church's meaning of "mystery", an unproven assertion that the virgin birth is nonsense, that Jesus's Father was human, and a seeming inability to answer straight forward questions in a logically deductive and/or consistent manner.

Three times Jesus tells us only God is good, and only once does Jesus tell us who is good...and that when he refers to himself as the good shepherd.

I think forum readers should expect, neigh demand, more from our skeptic community, but I understand scriptures will not "prove" Jesus is God to you, anymore than our scripture will "prove" their was ever God to begin with. However, as always, I thank you for adding your input and perspectives into the discussion.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Lol, nothing in your post addresses the points I made or the scripture quoted.
That's because nothing you posted was relevant to the point we've been debating.

Which is simply that there are five versions of Jesus in the NT, and that each of them denies that he's God and none of them ever claims to be God,

I've quoted you their relevant denials.

You have not, in reply, come up with a single instance of any version of Jesus in the NT claiming to be God.

In Christian doctrine Jesus did not become God until the adoption of the Trinity doctrine in the 4th century CE.

The Trinity doctrine is not only incoherent, but acknowledged by the churches to be so ─ "a mystery in the strict sense".
Instead we still have a supposed variety of Jesuses
No, you have an authentic variety of NT Jesuses, fivefold, as I've shown you.
a continued misunderstanding of the church's meaning of "mystery"
Typically of the way you argue here, you make this assertion but fail to provide "the church's meaning of 'mystery' ─ and seem to have missed altogether the fact that the churches say the Trinity is not simply a 'mystery' but 'a mystery in the strict sense' ─ the church's own definition of which I quoted in my linked post on the Trinity. (Here's that link again: >Why So Much Trinity Bashing?<)
an unproven assertion that the virgin birth is nonsense
How, in your view, can such a story can be true? What objective test will tell you whether a male child got his Y-chromosome from a supernatural being or not?
Three times Jesus tells us only God is good, and only once does Jesus tell us who is good...and that when he refers to himself as the good shepherd.
So all your arguments (a) rely on word games and (b) ignore the various express denials by each version of Jesus that he's God.

Ah well.

Please give Benson a pat from me when you next see him.
 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
Functional apologists don't care about the truth; they are like politicians looking for support, or merchants trying to sell something for personal gain. Anything one of these people says is dubious.

When Jesus stated not to call him "good" since only God is good, his words are clear and straightforward. Altering their meaning is an exercise in dishonesty—blatant and reprehensible. Such distortion is futile for those seeking the truth, and it clearly does not come from a truthful source.
 

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That's because nothing you posted was relevant to the point we've been debating.

Which is simply that there are five versions of Jesus in the NT, and that each of them denies that he's God and none of them ever claims to be God,
No there are NOT!

And you have been already answered on this

This is Bart Ehrman bulls***.

He has proven many times that he does not understand textual variants.

It is enough to look up his debates with Christians.

I have given you previously evidence on how he does not understand his own claims , but you seem to ignore all of that.

συνοπτικός εὐαγγέλιον literally means Good News that look the same.
συνοπτικός εὐαγγέλιον in English is 'Synoptic Gospels'

This term came into existence when many differences were spotted when the evidence was collected from the Church.
These differences that many refer to as 'corruption of the Bible' were brought up by the Church so they can be studied.

They did not hide it , burn it , make something else of it.
And they could have done all of that.

They were ALL studied and what the study showed is that the differences are irrelevant since they were written in times where words changed a lot.
None of the differences shows change in central Christian theology.

None , apsolutely NONE!

They were studied then , they are studied now.

If you want to talk about the NT , then you need to be able to discuss words in the original written language.
If you want to discuss the evidence , ofc.

If you are here to use some kind of interpretation , then you can do it with those who use every kind of translation.

They are irrelevant to me.

You are no different then Young - Earth Creationist learning about Evolution.

You have yet to prove that Bart Ehrman is a reliable source.
 

Feedmysheep

Active Member
So, tell me:
  1. Is Jesus LESS THAN GOD because Jesus is tainted with fallible flesh (‘see me, touch me, … I am flesh and bone’)
No He is not less than God. He is God expressing Himself as a limited, created man.
You should know from the story of the fleeing prophet Elijah. God had to show him that He could not
only express Himself as a mighty fire that burns the earth or a mighty wind so strong as to toss about bolders.
He had to show Elijah that God could also express Himself in the still small voice in the human conscience.
First Kings 19:11-13.

Everything in the Bible is sovery significant. God cannot only express Himself as the ultimate manifestation of authority.
He can also express Himself as the ultimate expression of submission.

He is not unGod because He expressed Himself as a submissive, obedient man.

  1. Is Jesus GREATER THAN GOD exactly because Jesus is BOTH GOD AND MAN?
The way I would put it is that it is "greater" that God be dispensed into man than God not be.
The Trinity is what the Trinity does. That is dispense God into man for a mingling.
We cannot seperate what the Triune God is from the plan, purpose, and operation of the Triune God.

It is FOR the plan of God to have sons that He created all things. This is seen here -

Even as He [the Father] chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love,
Predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, (Eph. 1:4,5)


The strong implication here is that before God created the universe - laid the foundation of the world He had an
eternal plan. It is FOR this plan that God created all things including angels and the universe. That purpose being
to have sons who share in His life, nature, expression, and function.


To accomplish this eternal purpose He went on a journey which includes two "becames".
The Word became flesh - to accomplish the mingling of God and man for our eternal redemption.
The Man in resurrection became a divine life imparting Spirit to dispense all that He is into His redeemed people.

John 1:14 shows the first step - And the Word became flesh
First Corinthians 15:45 shows the second step - the last Adam became a life giving Spirit.

And also:
  1. Is the Father LESS THAN Jesus BECAUSE he cannot be FLESH AND BONE?
In your next post to me could you explain how Jehovah God came and had lunch with Abraham in Genesis 18?
 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
No He is not less than God. He is God expressing Himself as a limited, created man...
I don't know where Trinitarians got the idea of a Jesus who has no God to worship, but it wasn't from the Bible. Jesus, the real one, is a servant of God:

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you handed over and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (...) 26 God raised up His Servant for you first, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.
... 4:
27 For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever Your hand and purpose predestined to occur. 29 And now, Lord, look at their threats, and grant it to Your bond-servants to speak Your word with all confidence, 30 while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus.
 

Feedmysheep

Active Member
I don't know where Trinitarians got the idea of a Jesus who has no God to worship, but it wasn't from the Bible. Jesus, the real one, is a servant of God:
By simply reading the NT it is revealed Jesus worshipped the Father.
For example His giving of thanks and/or praying to the Father.

These things Jesus spoke, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, Father,
the hour has come; glorify Your Son that the Son may glorify You; (John 17:1)

Then they took the stone away. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. (John 11:41)

But He Himself often withdrew in the wilderness and prayed. (Luke 5:16)

And rising very early in the morning, while it was still night, He went out and went away to a deserted place, and there He prayed. (Mark 1:35)
And after He sent the crowds away, He went up to the mountain privately to pray. And when night fell, He was there alone. (Matt. 14:23)
. . . when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, (Luke 3:21)
 
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