Jesus is not god

[Sabour]

1. creation of attributes of God
Islam says Jesus create birds
Whocreates
God creates
Jesus create birds

Here is the verse

5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

It says with my permission. Without Allah permission he can do nothing. This is the same way you find it in the bible when he says

"I do nothing of myself" - John 8:28

These were miracles given by God to prove Jesus peace be upon him was a prophet.

3. Christ is the spirit of God
The Quran says and we breathed there in of our soul

The verse says 21:91 And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

The spirit here is the angel Gabriel.

And if you are able to remove the contradiction?

There is no contradiction whatsoever.

This verse is very clear about who Jesus peace be upon him was

4:171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You are evading answering my questions
Here's a free dialogue
I am here to reveal to the people-tdalik.
Provided you questions from your book
1. creation of attributes of God
Islam says Jesus create birds
Whocreates
God creates
Jesus create birds
So the result of Christ was characteristic of the attributes of God
I knowyou enter intomyMuslim
Note I do not believe in the Quran but the oldest argument and proof of the validity of the Christian faith from your book you a Qur'an
2. Quran says Jesus is the word of God
3. Christ is the spirit of God
The Quran says and we breathed there in of our soul
4. supported by the Holy Spirit
Who is the Holy Spirit
And how was the support of Christ in the Holy Spirit
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And free dialogue
I am defending my faith
Do you think I am, I will not have this right
Or do you want to terrorize the thoughta lso
And tell you the Secretary
If you are able todefinethe spiritof the Qur'an
Come and tell me so
And if you are able to remove the contradiction?
The Quranic verse which attack Christ
Are the verses of the Medina
It is basically a dialogue between the delegation of Najran Christian and Mohamed
In three of the Koran
And for your information
The first campaign of ethnic cleansingin history
When the people of Najran Christians expelled Mohammed and said his famous
two religion does not meet on the island

According to the Bible Jesus is the Word [ spokesman ] of God - see Rev. 19:13
In Scripture God's spirit is neuter as ' it ', whereas God and Jesus are in the masculine.
So, in Scripture, God's holy spirit is Not a person but impersonal.
Older King James versions at Numbers 11: 17 and 25 uses the word ' it '
The Christians of Acts 1:5; 11:16 were baptized in holy spirit. [ Not in a person ]
God's spirit at Psalm 104:30 mentions God sending forth his spirit in connection to creation.
Also notice at [ Luke 11:13,20 ] that God's spirit is used interchangeably with the finger of God. At Exodus 31:18 God's spirit is also used in connection to the finger of God.
Since Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God- Rev. 1 v 5; 3 v 14 - and Jesus was used to bring everything else into existence - Colossians 1 vs 15,16 - then the invisible and visible material world came into existence by God through his pre-human Christ or Anointed One.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Here is the verse

5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

It says with my permission. Without Allah permission he can do nothing. This is the same way you find it in the bible when he says

"I do nothing of myself" - John 8:28

These were miracles given by God to prove Jesus peace be upon him was a prophet.



The verse says 21:91 And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

The spirit here is the angel Gabriel.



There is no contradiction whatsoever.

This verse is very clear about who Jesus peace be upon him was

4:171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

1. welcome-.-I understood my words-.-
You are not Arab---but I speak Arabic very well-and are also working languages.
If you read the verses of the Qur'an without reference to interpretations-.
You'll know that Christ is the word of God and the spirit of it and also the support of the Holy Spirit-and creating clay birds?!?
But the interpretations given words contrary to this reasoning correct-.
Because the Quranic verse which eliminates this logic
ButIssaIbnMaryam-Christ-tothe end of verse
And now I give you the verses of the Qur'an which speak about these four points

-Qur'an testify that Jesus is the word
God.This is evidentfrom the following:

1 _ NISA verse 171:

"But Christ Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God and his word.
2-NISA verse 39:

(Thank God for Yahya (i.e. John the Baptist) is ... Certified by the word of God).
3. _ NISA verse 45

"As the angels said o Mary, God thank the word named Christ the son of Mary"
4-Arab Sheikh muhidin, stated: the word is God confronts a.. The eye of God no more. (Book part II governance cloves page 35).



"The word is theology" (page 13)
Is this not theEinis saidabout Jesusin the Gospel of John

"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God ... And the word became flesh "(John 1: 2, 14)
4. "but Christ Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah and his speech to Mary and a spirit from him" (Surat women 171).
5. creation: "yaaisi, son of Mary, remember my favor to you... It taught you the book and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel and creating mud as a bird, they are birds breathe in my ear "surah 110
6. even the commentators that escapes the inflater is God himself as shown in Koranic texts as "ahasant and her vagina, we breathed therein of our soul and we made it and her son to the worlds" (Al-anbiya ' 21: 91).
For example, says Ben in his interpretation of the text (Surat at-tahrim 66: 12) "and saying:" Mary, his daughter Christiana that ahasant "no saved her vagina and she preserved him...
And chastity: is chastity and liberty, "and we breathed therein of our spirit"
IE: by King, is Gabriel, God mission to represent it in the form of humans only, and the command of Allaah to puffed by it in its pocket, it landed a puff, entered into her vagina, which was in Jesus, peace be upon him. Therefore, he said, "so we breathed therein of our soul and ratified the words of her Lord and his books".
IE: with Bill "and were heedless" (see tafseer Ibn much c 8, p. 173).
Here is the clincher and assured us the Qur'an commentators were unanimous that they talk about Issa Ibn Jibril, is the story of the rubbish and his henchmen known Christians in..
7. * characterize Jesus as being supported by the Holy Spirit: "...We gave Jesus the evidence and they supported him with the Holy Spirit... " Or the greatest name, according to the interpretation of Abdullah an inch.
8. we gave Jesus a son of Mary and the evidence supported the Holy Spirit-Al-baqarah 2: 253.
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Fleeing the answer explicit these interpretations
From this fable
Do you believe that the creation of man by blowing into the women?!?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Now you know why any Christian would be entitled to defend his faith
After almost 600 years from the birth of Christ
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And write a book about Christian faith
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Why move Qur'an lyrics Gospel
And then cancels all his words??
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Have you heard of the world that can create a human being by blowing into the device?!?
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Ruleyour mind, dearMuslim??!?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I know that most members debated that countless times and the debate is getting old, but actually I came through 2 verses in the bible that would explicitly say that Jesus peace be upon him was not god.
Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you know."
Now there are many verses in the bible that do serve the same purpose, but I think these two would be enough for now and I would see how the discussion would progress.

First of all, please keep in mind that the teachings of Christendom [ so-called Christianity in name only ] often is different from the teachings of 1st-century Christianity as found in the Holy Bible. As the Jews mixed with the Greeks they adopted Greek theories and philosophies and those ideas became fused with Scripture, and became taught as Scripture.

Please now notice what gospel writer John wrote at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 because there John writes that Jesus is ' the beginning of the creation by God '. According to Psalm 90:2 God is from everlasting [ No beginning for God]. Only God was before the beginning. Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning. The resurrected heavenly Jesus according to Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him.

We know the King James Bible is Not original biblical language.
When the translators translated John 1:1 and Acts 28:6 B they were Not consistent in following Greek grammar rules. They inserted the letter ' a ' at Acts 28:6 B, but then omitted the ' a ' at John 1:1.
' Lord ' and ' God ' are titles and Not necessarily a personal name or specific person.
For example:
Psalm 110:1
KJV mentions two [ 2 ] LORD/Lord's
The upper-case LORD stands for the Tetragrammaton YHWH for God
The lower-case Lord stands for Lord Jesus.

 

[savagewind]

First of all, please keep in mind that the teachings of Christendom [ so-called Christianity in name only ] often is different from the teachings of 1st-century Christianity as found in the Holy Bible. As the Jews mixed with the Greeks they adopted Greek theories and philosophies and those ideas became fused with Scripture, and became taught as Scripture.

Please now notice what gospel writer John wrote at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 because there John writes that Jesus is ' the beginning of the creation by God '. According to Psalm 90:2 God is from everlasting [ No beginning for God]. Only God was before the beginning. Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning. The resurrected heavenly Jesus according to Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him.

We know the King James Bible is Not original biblical language.
When the translators translated John 1:1 and Acts 28:6 B they were Not consistent in following Greek grammar rules. They inserted the letter ' a ' at Acts 28:6 B, but then omitted the ' a ' at John 1:1.
' Lord ' and ' God ' are titles and Not necessarily a personal name or specific person.
For example:
Psalm 110:1
KJV mentions two [ 2 ] LORD/Lord's
The upper-case LORD stands for the Tetragrammaton YHWH for God
The lower-case Lord stands for Lord Jesus.

Good post but the sentence "The resurrected heavenly Jesus according to Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him" is presumptuous. Psalm 119: 78 May the presumptuous be put to shame,For they wrong me without cause.*But I will ponder over* your orders.+
You may be right and you may be wrong BUT no human knows what "the resurrected Jesus thinks".
Many will say they know, but they don't. Do they? (Matthew chapter 25). You're welcome.

 

[savagewind]

Why? I doesn't matter if you are right or wrong about what Jesus "thinks". To say you know is arrogant which is a synonym of presumption and means " an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

 

[savagewind]

Why not think about it? Would you be so bold as to say "Gerrit Lösch thinks......"? How about "God thinks....."? What about "The governing body thinks the end is quite close"? Would you say "The governing body SAYS the end is very close"? Would you not even say that? You might say "The Bible says the end is near and we believe The Bible".

Have you ever said "the governing body thinks"? Why can you say it about Jesus? Was it a mistake? If it was a mistake then that is what "you're welcome" was for.

 

[Sabour]

You are not Arab---but I speak Arabic very well-and are also working languages.

Wrong, I am an Arab and I know Arabic very well and I seriously doubt that you know Arabic.

You'll know that Christ is the word of God and the spirit of it and also the support of the Holy Spirit-and creating clay birds?!?

Now you are repeating your self with somethings I already answered.

I told you clearly and referred to the verse which answers both of that.

Verse 4:171 clearly says that yes, he was the word of God.

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
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-Qur'an testify that Jesus is the word
God.This is evidentfrom the following:

1 _ NISA verse 171:

"But Christ Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God and his word.
2-NISA verse 39:

(Thank God for Yahya (i.e. John the Baptist) is ... Certified by the word of God).
3. _ NISA verse 45

"As the angels said o Mary, God thank the word named Christ the son of Mary"
4-Arab Sheikh muhidin, stated: the word is God confronts a.. The eye of God no more. (Book part II governance cloves page 35).

What is your point Mahasn. Do you have communication problems?

I already answered these in my previous posts. I began regretting that I actually addressed you for this was the only time I thought you are bringing something on the thread worth of discussing. Now you would just repeat yourself disregarding my replies.


Sorry Mahasn, from now on I will be answering serious people who don't tend to confuse people by referring to the same verse again and again and tend to make it look different.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Good post but the sentence "The resurrected heavenly Jesus according to Rev. 3:12 still thinks he has a God over him" is presumptuous. Psalm 119: 78 May the presumptuous be put to shame,For they wrong me without cause.*But I will ponder over* your orders.+
You may be right and you may be wrong BUT no human knows what "the resurrected Jesus thinks".
Many will say they know, but they don't. Do they? (Matthew chapter 25). You're welcome.

True, gospel writer John was a human, but according to 2nd Timothy 3 vs 16,17 the Holy Scriptures are inspired by God. So, Rev. 3:12 would be God inspired that Jesus still has a God over him. If Jesus did Not know if he still had a God over him, then that is what John would have written for us. Inspired by God would also be Rev. 3:21 where Jesus has his own throne and God has His own throne.
Any thoughts about Psalm 89:26,27 ?

 

[savagewind]

True, gospel writer John was a human, but according to 2nd Timothy 3 vs 16,17 the Holy Scriptures are inspired by God. So, Rev. 3:12 would be God inspired that Jesus still has a God over him. If Jesus did Not know if he still had a God over him, then that is what John would have written for us. Inspired by God would also be Rev. 3:21 where Jesus has his own throne and God has His own throne.
Any thoughts about Psalm 89:26,27 ?

I didn't say it was wrong. I said it was presumptuous. Is presumption a sin?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

According to Christianity Jesus peace be upon him sacrificed himself willingly.
But Mark 15:34 portrays the picture otherwise.
Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
If he is god, why he was unwilling and that he became willing?
Additional question, was Jesus peace be upon him praying to himself?

No, not portraying otherwise because remember Jesus was laying down his life of his own free choice for us. By Jesus saying why was he forsaken then No one could say he in some way was receiving comfort from God. By being forsaken Jesus was completely abandoned into the hands of his enemies.

Any thoughts about Psalm 22:1 ?

 

[Sabour]

No, not portraying otherwise because remember Jesus was laying down his life of his own free choice for us. By Jesus saying why was he forsaken then No one could say he in some way was receiving comfort from God. By being forsaken Jesus was completely abandoned into the hands of his enemies.

Any thoughts about Psalm 22:1 ?

I don't think I understand what you were trying to say, can you explain?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

[QUOTE="johnpeter1970, post: 4047457, member: 35008"
There are four gospels in the Bible: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
In John, Jesus is presented as God.
As it is written:
O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! (Isa 40:9)[/QUOTE]
Isaiah 40:10 continues talking about God about the Sovereign LORD [ YHWH ] Not Christ.

Did John present Jesus as God or Son of God
For the record John wrote at John 1:34 that he [John ] bare record that Jesus is the Son of God.
John wrote that Nathanael believed Jesus to be Son - John 1:49
John wrote that Peter as spokesman for the 12 believed Jesus to be Son- John 6:69
John wrote at John 14:28 B ....Jesus' Father is greater than Jesus.
John wrote that Jesus said his Father is greater than all.....at John 10:29
John wrote that the Jews charged Jesus for blasphemy for saying Jesus is Son - John 10:36
John wrote that Martha believed Jesus to be Son at John 11: 27
John concluded at John 20:31 Jesus is the Son of God.

Is it four gospels or:
The Gospel according to Matthew
The Gospel according to Mark
The Gospel according to Luke
The Gospel according to John
One complete gospel about Jesus by four different writers

Matthew [ 4:23 ] writes Jesus went about ....preaching the 'gospel of the kingdom'....
Mark starts chapter one saying the 'gospel of Jesus Christ'
Luke, at Acts 20:24, writes about the 'gospel of the grace of God'
Paul, at Eph. 6:15, writes about the 'gospel of peace'
John writes at Rev. 14:6 about the 'everlasting gospel'

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't think I understand what you were trying to say, can you explain?

Saying: that Jesus was always willing.
By God forsaking [ momentary abandonment ] was showing or explaining that God was Not relieving Jesus' suffering in any way. By temporarily forsaking was explaining Jesus was dying of his own free-will choice for us without any help from God.

 

[Sabour]

Saying: that Jesus was always willing.
By God forsaking [ momentary abandonment ] was showing or explaining that God was Not relieving Jesus' suffering in any way. By temporarily forsaking was explaining Jesus was dying of his own free-will choice for us without any help from God.

Well first thing, who said so?

Second thing,
Luke 22

41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What about Hebrews 5:7
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Yes, Jesus would have prayed to the One who was able to save Jesus from death.
The day Jesus died Jesus went to the grave [ biblical hell KJV ] - Acts 2:27,31,32; Psalm 16:10
Jesus taught that the dead are in an unconscious sleep-like state at John 11:11-14
Jesus knew that sleeping condition about the dead from what he learned from the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach ' sleep in death 'such as:
Ecclesiastes 9:5
Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4
Daniel 12:2,13
Also, Jesus did Not resurrect himself, God resurrected Jesus - Acts 3:15; 10:30; 13:30,37

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well first thing, who said so?
Second thing,
Luke 22
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Putting all four gospel accounts together show Jesus was willing.

I think we agree it was Not a literal actual ' cup', but that the cup represented or stood for something. Major prophets throughout the old Hebrew Scriptures often used a cup as a symbol or to symbolize a portion that God would pour out for a person to signify His will for that person or persons.
Jesus ' cup ' [ or assigned portion ] would be to die a suffering disgraceful death labeled as a sinner, a blasphemer against God. Jesus ' cup' would be a humiliating death as a reproach to God. Nevertheless Jesus continues praying Not what he [ Jesus ] wanted but what God wanted

- Matthew 26:30, 36-47; 16:21-23; Mark 14:26,32-43 Luke 22:39-47; John 18:1-3,11; Hebrew 5:7

 

[Sabour]

I think we agree it was Not a literal actual ' cup', but that the cup represented or stood for something. Major prophets throughout the old Hebrew Scriptures often used a cup as a symbol or to symbolize a portion that God would pour out for a person to signify His will for that person or persons.
Jesus ' cup ' [ or assigned portion ] would be to die a suffering disgraceful death labeled as a sinner, a blasphemer against God. Jesus ' cup' would be a humiliating death as a reproach to God. Nevertheless Jesus continues praying Not what he [ Jesus ] wanted but what God wanted

Are you trying to prove here that he is willing? If yes I fail to see how.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Are you trying to prove here that he is willing? If yes I fail to see how.

Wasn't Jesus willing to put God's will [ purpose ] ahead of his own will or wants ?_____
In prayer Jesus prayed that his Father's will take place - Matt. 6:10
Not as Jesus willed but as God willed- Matthew 26:39; Luke 22:42
and Jesus prayed ' Thy [ God's will ] be done ' in verse 42 B
Jesus considered anyone doing the will of God as family at Mark 3:35
At John 4:34 Jesus said his food [ meat ] was to do God's will
At John 5:30 Jesus said he did Not seek his own will, but the will of his Father
At John 6:38 Jesus said he came down from heaven to do Not his will but to do God's will.
At John 7:16 Jesus said his doctrine or teaching was Not his, but His that sent Jesus
God would Not have sent anyone to earth who was Not willing.
Not willing would show opposition to the doing of God's will.
The one speaking at Proverbs 8 vs 22-31 [wisdom personified as the pre-human Jesus ] is said to be created and his delights were with [ us ] the sons of men.
Jesus is willing to reveal God to us - Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22
Jesus could have walked away from his death if he wanted or willed himself to do so.
Jesus had the power to walk on water, heal people, and raise the dead back to life on earth.
So, Jesus would have had the power if he wished or willed to Not die for us.