Jews, Ezra and Qur'an

[Rival]

Those pics are my own. This is not even an issue.

 

[firedragon]

No doubt It's Uzair عزير in Arabic.
following is a list of many translations. you'll see that some user Uzair only and others uses Uzain and Ezraa beteen brackets which I disagree.

Muhsin Khan
And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!

Dr. Ghali
And the Jews have said, "cUzayr (i.e. Ezra) is the son of Allah. "And the Nasara (i.e. the Christians) have said, Al-Masih (The Messiah) is the son of Allah." That is their saying with their mouths, conforming with the saying of the disbelievers earlier. Allah fights them! However are they diverged (into) falsehood? .

Sahih International (wrong translation)
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

Shakir
And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Transliteration
Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahiwaqalati annasara almaseehuibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oonaqawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahuanna yu/fakoon

Pickthall (wrong translation)
And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

Lol. We were talking about other verses.

THIS VERSE SAYS UZAIR. NO OTHER VERSE DOES.

errm. Hope thats clear.

 

[firedragon]

Absolutely, I'm serious

There is no joking in religious discussions

There is nothing can be taken as a fact without discussion.
There are many opponents to this openant. It might need a post to discuss.
I've just did some research and there a lot of surprises

Why they've used Jesus instead of Iesau ?

Why do you use Jesus???

Why dont you ask all those countries who use Jesu??

Nevertheless, whats your point?

 

[firedragon]

It's not as simple as you're demonstrating it !!!!
It's about Greek and Latin not because of English.
It needs deeper research.

I think it needs a long thread

Mate. Even Arabic is a language born of Syriac, debated but evident. Every language in the world is born of another.

Why do we say "Theology"? Its Greek Theos.

Most scientific studies are named such after Greek mainly. Anthropology is after anthropos. Thats Greek for man. THe bible, the septuagint says anthropos for man first and then names him Adam later in the Genesis.

This is how language works.

 

[firedragon]

Fair point. @Augustus did point that out to me earlier but I was too obstinate to admit I was wrong. My apologies.

Im sorry I didnt see that post.

But alles gut Scotsman.

 

[Godobeyer]

It is arguable that The Gospel according to Matthew was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. That's it. Greek was the language of the day, like English is today. It is 99.99% certain the NT was all in Greek at the start.

Thanks for information ,no problem sister

 

[firedragon]

Thanks for information ,no problem sister

Rival is a sister? Crap.

 

[Rival]

Greek, Iesous --> Latin, Iesus --> English, Jesus

This is not difficult.

@firedragon I think we both deserve a tea break, lol.

 

[firedragon]

Greek, Iesous --> Latin, Iesus --> English, Jesus

This is not difficult.

@firedragon I think we both deserve a tea break, lol.

Hmmm. I think we deserve something strong in our tea. Lol.

 

[Godobeyer]

Rival is a sister? Crap.

We used to make proverb about people using rude words.

Crap is always ejected through drainage pipe.

 

[Rival]

Hmmm. I think we deserve something strong in our tea. Lol.

I think Limo beat us to it though, lol. He's definitely had something really strong in his tea.

 

[Politesse]

@LuisDantas @Debater Slayer @Shiranui117 please send me a pre-warning PM or something before I totally lose my turkey with this guy. I'm in a foul mood already. His intent seems to be to tease me and try to make me aggressive. This, as many RFers will know, is surprisingly easy.

Oh and @Politesse can you please explain how Yeshua = Iesous, before I kill myself.

Thanks.

Well, please don't do that! We need more literate people in the world, not less. I'm not sure what, in the context of this thread, remains unclear though. Yeshua is presumably an Anglicization of the Hebrew name ישוע, and Iesous is an Anglicization of the Greek form of the same name, Ιησούς. Both were common forms of that name at the time, and it is quite likely that our Lord went by both at some point in his life, given the plurilingualism of the Roman-era Near East. If not, then the translation to Greek would have happened very soon after his death, as word of "the way" spread rapidly through the mostly Greek-speaking Eastern Empire. It would make little sense for an early evangelist to insist on a Hebrew-only perspective outside of Judea. And even now, I find it a strange issue to focus on, if one indeed worships a leader whose stance on idolatry was well known. Surely, Jesus himself would not be inclined to make an issue out of how his name is pronounced, or by whom?

 

[rosends]

Just a note (though not exactly relevant to the intent of this thread) -- the Hebrew ישוע when written with vowels would be pronounced "Yeyshua" with an -ey- sound in the first syllable, not an -eh- sound.

 

[firedragon]

I think Limo beat us to it though, lol. He's definitely had something really strong in his tea.

Lol. You crack me up.

BTW, Im gonna do the same (Shush).

 

[firedragon]

We used to make proverb about people using rude words.

Crap is always ejected through drainage pipe.

Bro. You are absolutely wrong. Crap sometimes comes out of instruments people use to voice their thoughts out of.

Sometimes its just a feeling when you should have given due respect and you didnt.

Crap is such a nice word sometimes. It depicts your feelings exactly. Drainage pipe even as an analogy doesnt cut it.

Peace.

 

[Rival]

People on here often confuse me for a male. I'm used to it. I had 'female' on my profile for the longest time, too, and people still called me 'he'. Such is life.

 

[Godobeyer]

People on here often confuse me for a male. I'm used to it. I had 'female' on my profile for the longest time, too, and people still called me 'he'. Such is life.

@firedragon make me doubt about your gender

 

[Godobeyer]

Bro. You are absolutely wrong. Crap sometimes comes out of instruments people use to voice their thoughts out of.

Sometimes its just a feeling when you should have given due respect and you didnt.

Crap is such a nice word sometimes. It depicts your feelings exactly. Drainage pipe even as an analogy doesnt cut it.

Peace.

Ok , I thought you was disrespect me .
sorry for confusion

 

[Rival]

@firedragon make me doubt about your gender

 

[RabbiO]

I couldn't find it. Do you've any reference ?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/ezra-the-son-of-god.185625/