Joseph Smith Fraud

[tomato1236]

as you may know, people on these boards tend to "label" one according to their afilliation, thus painting a biased pre-conceived response to their posts

I have noticed that. Since yours isn't labeled, my opinion must be based only on the ideas you've posted, and that I've read. I don't know for sure your religion (except that you posted from the D&C, which is a pretty good clue), but what you're' posting about gays shows a certain distance from the issue which tends to make one callous.

 

[sniper762]

i dont understand. are you saying that you, an lds support gay rights? i thought my posts show opposition.

 

[tomato1236]

I support gay rights, but not gay marriage--I know that to gay people they're the same thing. But anyway the reason I say there is a difference in your approach. It just seems brash or insensitive or something. Which is fine, but it's different than me.

 

[Smoke]

I support gay rights, but not gay marriage

Cool. I support Mormon rights, but I don't believe they should be allowed to drive or vote.

 

[sniper762]

gay marriage IS gay rights. the underlying gay concept speaks for itself. you cant support one without the other

 

[tomato1236]

gay marriage IS gay rights. the underlying gay concept speaks for itself. you cant support one without the other

Wait, I thought you said marriage was a privalege. What happened to that?

 

[sniper762]

it IS but very much viewed by gays as a right

 

[tomato1236]

Which is what I said before.

 

[sniper762]

the whole premise behind proposition 8 was not gay marriage, but opposition to the homosexual lifestyle. gay marriage implies just that. any homosexual act even if catagorized as "gay rights" is concidered as abominable by the lds church

 

[tomato1236]

the whole premise behind proposition 8 was not gay marriage,

False. That's exactly what it was. The mormon church didn't invent Prop 8. And prop 8 didn't propose the removal of benefits for gay couples, etc.

any homosexual act even if catagorized as "gay rights" is concidered as abominable by the lds church[/

Yeah, that's true.

 

[Autodidact]

I support gay rights, but not gay marriage--I know that to gay people they're the same thing. But anyway the reason I say there is a difference in your approach. It just seems brash or insensitive or something. Which is fine, but it's different than me.

Well, at least the right to marriage is. I wonder how you would feel if you were denied this right.

 

[tomato1236]

Well, at least the right to marriage is. I wonder how you would feel if you were denied this right.

I wonder that too. Of course, I'm not allowed to marry homosexually, either.

 

[AxisMundi]

The option to hate is there for everyone. As is the option to twist religion to justify behavior that is exactly the opposite of the purpose of religion.

If you had stated "the purpose of Faith" I would agree with you.

However, particularly where the Abrahamics are concerned, the purpose of religion is theopolitical power and wealth for the clergy.

 

[AxisMundi]

I support gay rights, but not gay marriage--I know that to gay people they're the same thing. But anyway the reason I say there is a difference in your approach. It just seems brash or insensitive or something. Which is fine, but it's different than me.

Considering that marriage is also a right, how do you justify the double standard?

 

[Autodidact]

I wonder that too. Of course, I'm not allowed to marry homosexually, either.

You blithe disregard for the rights of others is downright offensive. I know this is hard for certain religious groups, but try really hard to treat other people as you would like to be treated. Would you like to be denied the right to marry, merely because of the gender of your intended?

 

[Katzpur]

Considering that marriage is also a right, how do you justify the double standard?

I actually have no problem with same-sex marriage and have said so on a number of occasions. It doesn't seem to have endeared me to any gays and lesbians, though. Most of them find some other reason to dislike me.

(I'm trying to figure out how this thread has anything to do with Joseph Smith. It's too long for me to plow through, so I guess I'd probably be safe in assuming that all anti-Mormon sentiments are legitimately lumped in together, regardless of the OP.)

 

[tomato1236]

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[waitasec]

I wonder that too. Of course, I'm not allowed to marry homosexually, either.

are you gay?

 

[tomato1236]

are you gay?

Does that make a difference?

 

[AxisMundi]

I actually have no problem with same-sex marriage and have said so on a number of occasions. It doesn't seem to have endeared me to any gays and lesbians, though. Most of them find some other reason to dislike me.

(I'm trying to figure out how this thread has anything to do with Joseph Smith. It's too long for me to plow through, so I guess I'd probably be safe in assuming that all anti-Mormon sentiments are legitimately lumped in together, regardless of the OP.)

That question was directed at tomatoe.