Judaisms Core

[dybmh]

Even though the above wasn't addressed to me, I can help but notice the nastiness and arrogance of your tone.

Nah. It's easier for you to demonize rather than understand.

Why?

If you observed Jay's behavior towards me and others, then try, you need to try, you would understand.

 

[dybmh]

Yes, but the question is why is the form plural???

You don't know Hebrew grammar. It is NOT plural form unless it is a Pagan speaking. Look at the verb.

Judaism teaches: they look plural, but, they are not.

Please confirm that you understand the words I have typed?

 

[Ebionite]

The words always had vowels. See below. How does this happen if the words didn't have vowels?

In English, letters are either vowels or consonant (y is an exception), and vowels are an essential part of words and their meaning.
In original Hebrew there is no such distinction, eg ShM [שם] has no vowels but is still a meaningful word.
In English sham and shim are different words with different meanings but no such difference exists for ShM in original Hebrew.

 

[Ebionite]

Yes, but the question is why is the form plural?

In that context it's plural because it doesn't only refer to YHWH.

Usually references to YHWH alone have a singular form like elah eg elahyk, but there are apparent exceptions:

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33

This exception could be explained as a reference to YHWH and his law.

 

[dybmh]

In original Hebrew

Originally, the words were spoken and repeated. The vowels are included with the spoken word. Nothing changes that. The desires to scramble and flip flop the meaning of text cannot be supported by your reasoning.

 

[Ebionite]

Originally, the words were spoken and repeated. The vowels are included with the spoken word.

You're ignoring the point that English vowels are not Hebrew vowels.

 

[dybmh]

You're ignoring the point that English vowels are not Hebrew vowels.

Not true. All vowels are articulated the same in all languages because all of our vocal apparatus are the same.

Ah = Ah in all languages
Ee = Ee in all languages
Oh = Oh in all languages
Oo= Oo in all languages
Etc

The Torah was spoken and repeated regularly for over 1000 years prior to the masoretic text. The masoretic text records the vowel sounds that we're in use consistently for over 1000 years.

You are ignoring that the Torah was spoken and repeated consistently for over 1000 years before the masoretic text.

 

[Ebionite]

Not true. All vowels are articulated the same in all languages because all of our vocal apparatus are the same.

That's irrelevant, words can be articulated with the use of vocal chords when people communicate by whispering.

The masoretic text records the vowel sounds that we're in use consistently for over 1000 years.

Wrong, sometimes the vowel markings were used to corrupt the text.

Link

 

[dybmh]

That's irrelevant, words can be articulated with the use of vocal chords when people communicate by whispering.

It's still the same sound being articulated regardless of language

Wrong, sometimes the vowel markings were used to corrupt the text.

You want it to be corrupt. What you want doesn't matter here.

 

[Ebionite]

It's still the same sound being articulated regardless of language

No, it isn't. There's no ח in the English language. The Hebrew gutturals are as close as you get to English vowels.

You want it to be corrupt.

You have no idea what I want. The facts show that the Masoretes corrupted the meaning of Genesis 16:12.

 

[Jimmy]

Thread topic is getting a bit fuzzy again.

 

[dybmh]

No, it isn't.

It is, you haven't studied linguistics.

 

[dybmh]

The facts show that the Masoretes corrupted the meaning of Genesis 16:12.

Doubt it. Your version of fact = I really want it to be true.

 

[dybmh]

There's no ח in the English language

Not true.

Yuch. Like Yucky.

 

[Jimmy]

It is, you haven't studied linguistics.

If you guys are debating whether or not Jesus is the core of Judaism that’s fine but if you’re not, maybe you should start a new thread. Thanks.

 

[dybmh]

If you guys are debating whether or not Jesus is the core of Judaism that’s fine but if you’re not, maybe you should start a new thread. Thanks.

Sorry. I'll stop replying.

 

[Jimmy]

Sorry. I'll stop replying.

You said that before. Start a new thread for whatever it is you’re debating. You and @Ebionite seem passionate about it.

 

[GoodAttention]

You said that before. Start a new thread for whatever it is you’re debating. You and @Ebionite seem passionate about it.

Lol.

Why did you name this thread Judaisms core but when Jews are attempting to discuss it you want them to f*@# off?

It is as if they took something that was yours, did whatever they wanted, changed it, and then called it their own!

Hmm...

 

[Jimmy]

Lol.

Why did you name this thread Judaisms core but when Jews are attempting to discuss it you want them to f*@# off?

It is as if they took something that was yours, did whatever they wanted, changed it, and then called it their own!

Hmm...

I’ve read some of the stuff on here and I really don’t know what it’s about. Like I said if it’s about debating whether or not Jesus is the core of Judaism that’s fine but the rules are you should stay on topic. No big deal. Actually I don’t really care I’m just making a simple suggestion.

 

[YoursTrue]

That's irrelevant, words can be articulated with the use of vocal chords when people communicate by whispering.

@dybmh You replied, "It's still the same sound being articulated regardless of language"

Wrong, sometimes the vowel markings were used to corrupt the text.

@dybmh - You replied, "You want it to be corrupt. What you want doesn't matter here."

It kind of would be nice if both of you would prove both your cases with backups for others to see what you're talking about.