Las Vegas Shooting

[MrMrdevincamus]

This whole tragedy was cause by lax gun control, its very on topic. Whether you like it or not Enoch.

**** GROAN ******. Tell me how more stringent gun control would stop someone getting a machine gun. The problem is not firearm accessibility its the monkey that is pulling the trigger. Ask yourself if you are an American. Why didn't these mass shootings happen in the late 40's 50's or 60's??? Until the 60's firearm laws were much fewer and the firearms more numerous. According to the gun controllers that should mean far more shootings etc. Not so! Back then our country was more morally centered and the family unit was intact. One parent needed to work, and good paying jobs were plentiful. Each new generation could expect to be better off than his parents. No one heard of latch key kids etc. Parents gave the kids a lot more quality time and most moms were stay at home moms. Divorces were not as common etc. I am not saying church going and stay at home parents will cure the insanity that seems to be spreading like some kind of slow growing cancer. However I would wager it would put a cure on a lot of it. Yeah I will get some feedback on this but it makes FAR more sense than attempting to ban the wrong thing.
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[Lyndon]

Ah they didn't have legal machine guns in the 40s 50s and 60s, and I'm sure they have more regular guns today as well, why else would the gun manufacturers stocks go up so much today.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Canada has gun control and much lower murder rate too.

Its a different country with a different history and a different culture and different traditions for better or worse, besides most Canadians are too stoned on bud to be violent ~

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[Lyndon]

I for one don't see how we get pro gun violence Christians, seems like a contradiction in terms. And yes, if you're pro gun, you're pro gun violence, because guns lead to gun violence.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That tragedy is nothing compare to Chicagos homicide rate by criminal organizations (gangs) that use already illegal weapons. So how is more gun control going to prevent criminals from purchasing illegal firearms? You think they will say "oh no guns are extra illegal now, i had better stop what i am doing"? So very naive.

Pretty much as naive as the narrative of needing more guns on the street to solve gun violence.

Not deflect. Just postpone for 24 hours out of respect, and to give some time for information to be collected instead of useless conjecture.

You can't even give a reason for this 24-hour period, other than it's how you feel. Others clearly do not agree, and so very frequently this "let's wait" position translates to "let's not talk about gun control while everyone clearly sees the need for it."

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Ah they didn't have legal machine guns in the 40s 50s and 60s, and I'm sure they have more regular guns today as well, why else would the gun manufacturers stocks go up so much today.

The machine gun the shooter used weapons illegally modified. But after hearing the tape I would have swore he was using an SAW (belt fed machine gun)
In the 50's our country was awash with mil surplus firearms from WW2 and WW1. Still you haven't said how more gun laws would have stopped shootings like Vegas from happening. (there are 20,000 now counting state and their jurisdictions fed etc).
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/how-many-gun-laws-are-there-study-disputes-20000-number

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[MrMrdevincamus]

I for one don't see how we get pro gun violence Christians, seems like a contradiction in terms. And yes, if you're pro gun, you're pro gun violence, because guns lead to gun violence.

So do automobiles and trucks (lead to violence as per the UK) so if you are pro car or truck you are pro violence! You see I can make truly ridiculous meaningless statements too. Lastly the gun control people can tell all the lies make dumb speculative comments all they want to, Americans will still have their constitutional right to bear and own firearms.

Lastly I am as saddened by the shootings as anyone else. 99% of all people are sickened by the killing. So the enemy is the shooters not the tools the nuts use to kill which is everything from cars to bombs. That enemy is what we need to fix.

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[MrMrdevincamus]

Ah they didn't have legal machine guns in the 40s 50s and 60s, and I'm sure they have more regular guns today as well, why else would the gun manufacturers stocks go up so much today.

You were wrong about legal machine guns too. Actually one has to purchase a 'stamp' to own machine guns after the 80s before that the stamp was not required. I would guess stocks went went were because the gun control people would be screaming for control which scares poor gun owners and as a result they stock up on firearms and ammo....

From the web;

When were machine guns banned?
The domestic manufacture of new machine guns that civilians could purchase was effectively banned by language in the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (also known as "McClure-Volkmer").
National Firearms Act - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

 

[LuisDantas]

Not neglecting anything. Just postponing judgment for a short time out respect for the victims, and also to allow time for information to be collected so that we have a clearer picture on what actually happened. So that we can discuss it to try and avoid further tragedies.

That is being repectful and logical.

Again: I am just not seeing it.

 

[McBell]

The machine gun the shooter used weapons illegally modified. But after hearing the tape I would have swore he was using an SAW (belt fed machine gun)

I have not seen or heard anything that indicates a "machine gun" was used.

At best I have read that there were AR-15's and high powered rifles.

 

[Lyndon]

Law enforcement just came out and said they found two machine guns in the hotel room. Its on Aust's ABC news

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

I have not seen or heard anything that indicates a "machine gun" was used.

At best I have read that there were AR-15's and high powered rifles.

Did you hear the tape? I have heard that sound many times. You can not pull a trigger that fast. I estimated with a watch and counted. Then I multiplied it X 30 after timing and counting the pops for 2sec. It came out to 766 rounds per min. That is what a full auto M-16 or a SAW shoots (more or less, a saw was after my time so I may be off on the rpm). .....(that rate of fire is for a M-16A1 early version)... An AR-15 is easily modified to full auto, just by replacing the sear pin. (everyone in the firearm community knows this so I am telling no secrets here)

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[MrMrdevincamus]

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[It Aint Necessarily So]

Not deflect. Just postpone for 24 hours out of respect, and to give some time for information to be collected instead of useless conjecture.

How disrespectful of you. Everybody knows that you need to wait 25 hours before comments become respectful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

(there are 20,000 now counting state and their jurisdictions fed etc).
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/how-many-gun-laws-are-there-study-disputes-20000-number

From you own source:
[QUOTEA study from the Brookings Institution Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy counts only 300 "relevant federal and state laws regarding the manufacture, design, sale, purchase, or possession of guns." The key word is "relevant."
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According to the Brookings Institution, the reference to 20,000 gun laws first appeared in Congressional testimony in 1965, but no source was given. The number has taken hold in the public consciousness, however. In 1981, the authors note, President Reagan rejected a call for additional gun legislation, saying, "There are today more than 20,000 gun control laws in effect -- federal, state and local -- in the United States."[/QUOTE]
It doesn't support the idea that there are 20,000 gun laws.

 

[esmith]

He used a machine gun damn it, that shouldn't be legal, no need to have any extra time to think about it, its just wrong.

A fully automatic firearm is illegal unless one goes through many checks. Do you have any idea what a fully automatic firearm cost? Try around $10,000.00 and up

 

[Enoch07]

Ah they didn't have legal machine guns in the 40s 50s and 60s, and I'm sure they have more regular guns today as well, why else would the gun manufacturers stocks go up so much today.

Thompson submachine gun - Wikipedia

Totally legal up til 1934. But why was it made illegal? Criminal organizations. In which did nothing to stop them from using them.

 

[Stevicus]

The FBI says they're all but ruling out international terrorism, and that no indication has been found of international terrorism. Unless you want to believe ISIS on this.

They haven't ruled it out completely. They're still not sure. I don't believe ISIS, but in the absence of hard info either way, then it's premature for the FBI to say either way.

 

[Enoch07]

How disrespectful of you. Everybody knows that you need to wait 25 hours before comments become respectful.

Its better than making assumptions 4 hours after the shooting.

24 hours seems reasonable enough for law enforcement to gain knowledge of what actually was going on. It also gives the victims some amount of respect. Do you want to wait longer? If so how much time is needed?

 

[Falvlun]

Thompson submachine gun - Wikipedia

Totally legal up til 1934. But why was it made illegal? Criminal organizations. In which did nothing to stop them from using them.

Are there a lot of criminal organizations using Thompson submachine guns?