LDS Beliefs and the Bible (6 Discussions)

[Aqualung]

You say [url=www.urlofthread.com]some text[/url]

 

[Katzpur]

The tread is Romans: Chapter 1 (I don't know to link threads)

You can't. Only a staff member can. I will check it out and respond tomorrow. Thanks, Jeremy!

 

[Jeremy Mason]

You can't. Only a staff member can. I will check it out and respond tomorrow. Thanks, Jeremy!

the thread has been started.

 

[Aqualung]

You can't. Only a staff member can. I will check it out and respond tomorrow. Thanks, Jeremy!

Wait, whta? You can't link to threads?

EDIT: testing

EDIT 2: Nevermind. I thought he meant actually link the URL to it, but you possibly thought he meant merge the threads together?

 

[Katzpur]

Wait, whta? You can't link to threads?

EDIT: testing

EDIT 2: Nevermind. I thought he meant actually link the URL to it, but you possibly thought he meant merge the threads together?

Maybe I misunderstand what Jeremy meant. Yeah, I know how to do what you're talking about. I thought he was talking about splitting a second thread off of an initial one. My bad. Sorry.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Romans Chaper ! it's this thread, check it out.

 

[FFH]

Okay, now that we've discussed a few issues, I feel a need to continue with the theme of this thread.

I was watching some stuff on TBN - Trinity Broadcasting Network, today, and a few really good teachers of the Word of God led me to some scriptures. It was weird how much the scriptures they brought up related to this thread and gave me some great ideas.

 

[FFH]

The First Principles and Ordinances of the Gospel of Jesus Christ

1) Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
2) Repentance
3) Baptism by Immersion for the Remission of Sins (by one who possesses the correct authority)
4) Laying of of Hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost (by one who possesses the correct authority)

Endure to the End (continued obedience to God's laws)

Temple ordinances can be performed, after a year of continued obedience to the principles of Christ's restored gospel, allowing the individual to partake of complete salvation and exaltaion with God the Father, and his Son Jesus Christ, in their kingdom (highest degree of glory).

Evidence of baptism by immersion and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, found in the New Testament.

Matthew 3: 16
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God (Holy Ghost) descending like a dove,...


Acts 8: 18-19
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given,...

 

[Theocan]

LDS beliefs that they can exclude non-members to marriage ceremonies.(Nearly all other faiths permit non-members of the faith)

Luke 9: 49-50
Now John answered and said, "Master we saw someone casting down demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us."
But Jesus said to him "Do not forbid him, for he is not against us is on our side."

 

[Katzpur]

LDS beliefs that they can exclude non-members to marriage ceremonies.(Nearly all other faiths permit non-members of the faith)

Luke 9: 49-50
Now John answered and said, "Master we saw someone casting down demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us."
But Jesus said to him "Do not forbid him, for he is not against us is on our side."

That's true. On the other hand, Paul taught that the milk is to be given before the meat. The restriction against non-members (and even some members) going into an LDS temple after its dedication is given because only those individuals who have demonstrated through their obedience to God's commandments and have received their temple endowment would understand the sacred covenants made in the temple. Jesus was not talking about temple worship in that passage, but was encouraging His Apostles to not be the kind of people we see so often today who try to tell people who may interpret the Bible differently than they do that they're not "real Christians." There were times when Jesus specifically told His Apostles not to discuss certain events with anyone outside of their group.

 

[Orontes]

LDS beliefs that they can exclude non-members to marriage ceremonies.(Nearly all other faiths permit non-members of the faith)

Luke 9: 49-50
Now John answered and said, "Master we saw someone casting down demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us."
But Jesus said to him "Do not forbid him, for he is not against us is on our side."

Hello,

The LDS Church does not exclude members from marrying non-members. Mormons marry non-Mormons regularly. If your question was concerned with temple weddings: temple weddings are only for Mormons in good standing. Therefore, temple weddings do not simply divide between Mormon and non-Mormon, but Mormons in good standing and Mormons that are not. Mormons not in good standing are precluded from entering the temple to attend temple ceremonies.

 

[FFH]

LDS beliefs that they can exclude non-members to marriage ceremonies.(Nearly all other faiths permit non-members of the faith)

Luke 9: 49-50
Now John answered and said, "Master we saw someone casting down demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us."
But Jesus said to him "Do not forbid him, for he is not against us is on our side."

The inner courts of the temple in Christ's time were also off limits to those not ordained to that calling.

LDS temples are no different

 

[Theocan]

Hello,

The LDS Church does not exclude members from marrying non-members. Mormons marry non-Mormons regularly. If your question was concerned with temple weddings: temple weddings are only for Mormons in good standing. Therefore, temple weddings do not simply divide between Mormon and non-Mormon, but Mormons in good standing and Mormons that are not. Mormos not in good standing are precluded from entering the temple to attend temple ceremonies.

But these "non- good standing" on the basis of men. The judgment of Men. And Men are not to judge. That is God's job.

The inner courts of the temple in Christ's time were also off limits to those not ordained to that calling.

LDS temples are no different

Yes but that was wrong nearly all of the churches reformed and fixed that problem with excluding non-members.

 

[Katzpur]

But these "non- good standing" on the basis of men. The judgment of Men. And Men are not to judge. That is God's job.

So every Tom, Dick and Harry who happens to feel so inclined should be able to participate in sacred ordinances they could not possibly understand or appreciate, and they should be able to enter into covenants with the Lord they have absolutely no intention of keeping.

Yes but that was wrong nearly all of the churches reformed and fixed that problem with excluding non-members.

That's an interesting comment. Why don't you explain exactly how this happened instead of just making some sort of vague statement. Why don't you begin by explaining the early Christian doctrines and then lead us step by step from the point at which the esoteric teachings of the ancient Church were "reformed and fixed." This should be interesting.

 

[Theocan]

So every Tom, Dick and Harry who happens to feel so inclined should be able to participate in sacred ordinances they could not possibly understand or appreciate, and they should be able to enter into covenants with the Lord they have absolutely no intention of keeping.

Yes, my mother who is a Catholic would want to view my wedding can't be she is just some plain "Tom." There is simple sensibility when applying who is "fit" and "not" And 99.9% of the time the people who are "not fit" do not want to attend in the first place, because they do not care.

That's an interesting comment. Why don't you explain exactly how this happened instead of just making some sort of vague statement. Why don't you begin by explaining the early Christian doctrines and then lead us step by step from the point at which the esoteric teachings of the ancient Church were "reformed and fixed." This should be interesting.

Okay

It is simple.

Before (expecially in the Catholic Church) non-members of the church were simply not allowed to attend religious cermonies (marriage is a good example.) But throughout time and under the leadership of Pope John Paul, that was reformed and other Christian denominations followed. That honestly, God would allow someone's parents or relatives to view their relatives wedding.

 

[Sententia]

So every Tom, Dick and Harry who happens to feel so inclined should be able to participate in sacred ordinances they could not possibly understand or appreciate, and they should be able to enter into covenants with the Lord they have absolutely no intention of keeping.

That's an interesting comment. Why don't you explain exactly how this happened instead of just making some sort of vague statement. Why don't you begin by explaining the early Christian doctrines and then lead us step by step from the point at which the esoteric teachings of the ancient Church were "reformed and fixed." This should be interesting.

Regardless if your beliefs we are all mammels. Humans. Vertabrates. Whatever chemical maelstrom goes on inside your head differs you only in function from the rest of us. At your core your dna, your blood, your very soul is like mine. Label me black, hispanic, atheist, catholic or mormon. You assign your labels and act accordingly... you can do no different.

But we are all the same. Sacred and secret... What if an outsider violated the temple and ran and filmed a documentary! What should be his punishment? How would the temple then be made clean?

No fighting... We are all humans! Learn to get along.

 

[Theocan]

Regardless if your beliefs we are all mammels. Humans. Vertabrates. Whatever chemical maelstrom goes on inside your head differs you only in function from the rest of us. At your core your dna, your blood, your very soul is like mine. Label me black, hispanic, atheist, catholic or mormon. You assign your labels and act accordingly... you can do no different.

But we are all the same. Sacred and secret... What if an outsider violated the temple and ran and filmed a documentary! What should be his punishment? How would the temple then be made clean?

No fighting... We are all humans! Learn to get along.

His punishment is ex-communication and "Eternal (Outer) Darkness"

 

[Sententia]

The inner courts of the temple in Christ's time were also off limits to those not ordained to that calling.

LDS temples are no different

What was wrong then let be wrong now. Such is the path of those ignorant of their history.

 

[Katzpur]

Yes, my mother who is a Catholic would want to view my wedding can't be she is just some plain "Tom." There is simple sensibility when applying who is "fit" and "not" And 99.9% of the time the people who are "not fit" do not want to attend in the first place, because they do not care.

This is where civil ceremonies come in.

Okay

It is simple.

Before (expecially in the Catholic Church) non-members of the church were simply not allowed to attend religious cermonies (marriage is a good example.) But throughout time and under the leadership of Pope John Paul, that was reformed and other Christian denominations followed. That honestly, God would allow someone's parents or relatives to view their relatives wedding.

Hold on! You're not telling me that non-Catholic were not permitted to attend Catholic weddings prior to John Paul II, are you? And that Methodists were not permitted to attend Lutheran weddings, etc.? Come on, I wasn't born yesterday! I was born a long, long time before that!

 

[Katzpur]

Regardless if your beliefs we are all mammels. Humans. Vertabrates. Whatever chemical maelstrom goes on inside your head differs you only in function from the rest of us. At your core your dna, your blood, your very soul is like mine. Label me black, hispanic, atheist, catholic or mormon. You assign your labels and act accordingly... you can do no different.

I agree.

But we are all the same. Sacred and secret...

I disagree.

What if an outsider violated the temple and ran and filmed a documentary!

Filming a documentary inside the temple would be next to impossible. Making the sacred temple ordinances available to outsiders would be relatively simple. It's been done a number of times.

What should be his punishment?

If it were a member of the Church, he would almost certainly be excommunicated. If it were a non-member, the Church would be in no position to "punish" him.

How would the temple then be made clean?

Huh?