Less than 1% of the over 250 million cars are EV's

[Audie]

There is "green" hydrogen from electrolysis of water, using electricity, or "blue" hydrogen from steam reforming of natural gas, with capture of the CO2 produced as a byproduct: CH4 + 2H2O -> 4H2 + CO2

I know. Either directly from fossil fuels, or electrolysis.
The electricity tends to come from fossil
fuels.
Instead of using the electricity directly we
go through another step, losing efficiency, and make hydrogen.
How is this sensible?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know. Either directly from fossil fuels, or electrolysis.
The electricity tends to come from fossil
fuels.
Instead of using the electricity directly we
go through another step, losing efficiency, and make hydrogen.
How is this sensible?

I think that I irritated Audie at one point. EV's are more efficient than ICE's even if the energy comes from fossil fuels. ICE's are incredibly inefficient. EV's utilize a much higher percentage of that energy. And there is an easy way to tell just visually. The waste energy from ICE's is turned into heat. As a result a radiator is a must for a car with almost any engine. The grills on cars are not just decorative. They are there to allow airflow. The radiator must be cooled down meanwhile the front end of a Tesla looks like this:

It takes much less cooling for a Tesla. And I wonder how much of that is for air conditioning. Meanwhile a full sized American car looks like this:

Notice that the grill is juuuuuust a little bit bigger. That car has to dump a lot of waste energy in the form of heat.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You should realize that the price of technology drops as it is developed. Your complaints lack any merit at all.

Sure, everyone is driving them, no merit at all in the opinion.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure, everyone is driving them, no merit at all in the opinion.

Regards Tony

It takes time to switch over, but it is going to happen. A moral person would be for switching as soon as possible. I do not think that the founder of your church, who valued the science, would be too proud of you right now. Do you realize that AGW is a very serious threat? Not to you, or me. We are too old, but to our children and grandchildren it will be life threatening and worse life ending for many of them. The sooner that we act the less severe that those results are going to be. You probably will not every buy such a car. You could easily be on your last car now. But you should not interfere with the future of your descendants. You should be trying to support them the best that you can.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It takes time to switch over, but it is going to happen. A moral person would be for switching as soon as possible. I do not think that the founder of your church, who valued the science, would be too proud of you right now. Do you realize that AGW is a very serious threat? Not to you, or me. We are too old, but to our children and grandchildren it will be life threatening and worse life ending for many of them. The sooner that we act the less severe that those results are going to be. You probably will not every buy such a car. You could easily be on your last car now. But you should not interfere with the future of your descendants. You should be trying to support them the best that you can.

Give us all a break and stop making it personal.

It all just Bla bla bla when you make it personal and I walk away.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

Give us all a break and stop making it personal.

It all just Bla bla bla when you make it personal and I walk away.

Regards Tony

You made it personal first, but cannot see it.

Do you understand that AGW is a fact? Do you understand that we need to cut fossil fuel usage dramatically?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You made it personal first, but cannot see it.

Do you understand that AGW is a fact? Do you understand that we need to cut fossil fuel usage dramatically?

I think first we need to stop the wars and all the tyrants.

Regards Tony

 

[We Never Know]

Give us all a break and stop making it personal.

It all just Bla bla bla when you make it personal and I walk away.

Regards Tony

You have to make your point and drive it home. Only then will you lose the taunts of,, well you know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think first we need to stop the wars and all the tyrants.

Regards Tony

Well, getting off of fossil fuels might help that. Think of how much money goes to regimes that are lest than just, only because they have large supplies of oil. There are alternatives. You probably will not have to switch to a hydrogen or battery car, but the technology that you wanted does exist. It is only a matter of infrastructure right now and those changes can be rather slow.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have to make your point and drive it home. Only then will you lose the taunts of,, well you know.

The problem is that he had no point. Denial is not a point.

 

[We Never Know]

The problem is that he had no point. Denial is not a point.

Im sorry did you say something. You need to refer to post #58 first.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Im sorry did you say something. You need to refer to post #58 first.

Yes and it appears that you were wrong there too.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes and it appears that you were wrong there too.

You don't get off that easy. You have to support your posts.

So support it

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't get off that easy. You have to support your posts.

So support it

Not when you have gone back to not being reasonable. If someone is willing to have rational discussion then no problem. I have a feeling that you will not abide by that common sense rule.

 

[We Never Know]

Not when you have gone back to not being reasonable. If someone is willing to have rational discussion then no problem. I have a feeling that you will not abide by that common sense rule.

Move on bud. I frequently talk to front line workers out in Cali. You read articles. Enough said. I even gave you their union, address, etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Move on bud. I frequently talk to front line workers out in Cali. You read articles. Enough said. I even gave you their union, address, etc.

Uh huh. And articles tend to be more reliable than extremists with a bone to grind.

 

[We Never Know]

Uh huh. And articles tend to be more reliable than extremists with a bone to grind.

Lmao. Front line workers aren't extremist. However nut jobs that read online articles from people that haven't been on the front lines are.

 

[We Never Know]

Uh huh. And articles tend to be more reliable than extremists with a bone to grind.

You still haven't refuted post #58. All you have given is personal whines.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You still haven't refuted post #58. All you have given is personal whines.

HItchens' Razor.

 

[We Never Know]

HItchens' Razor.

Good grief

Dude I've been here 3 1/2 years. When you are beaten you complain and whine, make false statements, claims and avoid.
You are the most suspended person here of all the posters that I know and you still can't figure it out.
That's what is so dang funny and that makes you the joke