Let’s try a serious discussion about “wokeism”.

[George-ananda]

Because I wanted people who responded to say what they thought it was.

So far, those who have provided definition have been consistent. You can interact with one of those definitions, or provide your own as you please.

Or you can consider the definition provided by a lawyer working for DeSantis, which was "The belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

What do you think the definition is? Are you opposed to “wokeism”? Why or why not?

First paragraph of Wikipedia:

Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".[1][2] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.


I think it is a case of 'in theory' that being '"alert to racial prejudice and discrimination" is something everyone, including Ron DeSantis himself, would support.

The problem comes in with an excessive and unnecessary emotional zeal for claiming victimization and systemic racism and the like that many feel are not justified by the actual reality.

 

[fantome profane]

First paragraph of Wikipedia:

Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".[1][2] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.


I think it is a case of 'in theory' that being '"alert to racial prejudice and discrimination" is something everyone, including Ron DeSantis himself, would support.

The problem comes in with an excessive and unnecessary emotional zeal for claiming victimization and systemic racism and the like that many feel are not justified by the actual reality.

Ok, but is that problem that you describe so big that the idea must be eliminated? Can’t reasonable people discuss what is appropriate and what is “excessive and unnecessary”?

Do you realize that if DeSantis was in charge of the moderation of this message board you would be banned for what you just posted?* The Wikipedia definition of Woke would not be allowed in a Florida high school classroom, even a class for advanced students.



*(good thing for you and me these are not the DeSantis Forums and we can have a conversation)

 

[fantome profane]

How would you classify this?

Hard to respond to this because Cenk and Ana said everything I was going to. This is a private company, and companies that do things like this do it to make money. And there is nothing inherently wrong with depicting diversity. There is something wrong with people who object to this.



(But I will add that many of the action figures I played with as a child were also missing a limb. I was sooo ahead of my time. Some were also missing a head.)

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you know what else is compelled speech?

Learning one's own mother tongue.

I can see the reasoning but...


Do you think it should be forced with penalties?

My nieces are from China. They were adopted at the time of their infancy from the Chinese government.

They of course know English since being relocated to the US , but should they be forced to speak Chinese since it's the country of their births?

 

[SomeRandom]

*sees title*

 

[Father Heathen]

Obviously you like to demand examples on just about everything on a subject as if you didn't know or something, even if it's already been wildly known and expressed nationwide on just about every media platform.

But OK, here's one example that's already well known, as if you never heard of such a thing in your life.


Forcing pronoun usage is compelled speech

That's the best example you could come up with, that a teacher wasn't allowed to bully a student? If a teacher was fired for calling minority students racial slurs, what would be the difference, or do you think that should be allowed as well?

 

[Twilight Hue]

How would you classify this?

Easy...

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's the best example you could come up with, that a teacher wasn't allowed to bully a student? If a teacher was fired for calling minority students racial slurs, what would be the difference, or do you think that should be allowed as well?

The teacher just refused.

That is not bullying.

Learn the difference.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Wokism is an impressive form of modern indoctrination that teaches the gullible followers who submit to it to obsess over race and oppression, and to actively look for it in every aspect of life- even when there is none- and to leverage it as much as possible to the exclusive benefit of a select few groups… so that they might easily obtain through the pity, guilt and shame of others advantages in life that other demographics must work hard for to earn for themselves and their families.

It's why the hallmark of leftests is to use obnoxious guilt shaming tactics to justify and force a viewpoint on others who don't agree.

 

[crossfire]

Easy...

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!

Are you referring to the Fox News analysts as cripples, The Young Turks as cripples, or both?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you referring to the Fox News analysts as cripples, The Young Turks as cripples, or both?

It's an inclusive society!

Im thinking we now have cis cripples and natural cripples with just one handica...er ..handi capable parking spot.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

"Wokeism" doesn't exist.

As seen here from the usual two, The Right likes to take and use the term "woke" to refer to anything done in the name of inclusiveness and social progress, coming up with such wild stories of poor, innocent Conservative voices being "forced" to comply with ideologies that are not their own... all the while cheering on people like Fuhrer DeSantis forcing people to live how he thinks they should. DeSantis and his own chuckle-head followers use it just as loosely and glibly as would be expected of fascists setting up The Other: replace "woke" in any of DeSantis' speeches with "Jews" and you've got a speech right out of 1920's Germany.

I don't know how a Liberal would unironically use "woke"; perhaps as a new term to replace "Social Justice Warrior".

The rest of us that are "woke"? We're just aware. We see the crap that goes on in society. We are introspective of the crap that we carry around in our own perceptions and prejudices. And we try to change those for the better of everyone.

 

[Stevicus]

 

[F1fan]

Wokism is an impressive form of modern indoctrination that teaches the gullible followers who submit to it to obsess over race and oppression, and to actively look for it in every aspect of life- even when there is none- and to leverage it as much as possible to the exclusive benefit of a select few groups… so that they might easily obtain through the pity, guilt and shame of others advantages in life that other demographics must work hard for to earn for themselves and their families.

Excellent description. Now if there was only evidence of this actually happening. Feel free to present evidence of what you describe ACTUALLY happening. I'm not asking for your interpretation, I'm asking for hard, indisputable fact.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ask any natural born female in sports!

 

[Twilight Hue]

In my country people make fun of you if you are politically correct.
So just imagine what they think of wokeism.

Go woke, go broke.

 

[Stevicus]

Ask any natural born female in sports!

Do they all share the same opinions? I suppose I could ask them if they can spell "enlightened" or "empathetic."

But the question about sports is a difficult one.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do they all share the same opinions? I suppose I could ask them if they can spell "enlightened" or "empathetic."

But the question about sports is a difficult one.

I would say a genuine expert on the matter would be Catilyn Jenner.

 

[icehorse]

Advocating for equal rights is good.
Going about in a way that's sanctimonious, vindictive, hypocritical, and curtails liberty is not.

Also, it's nonsensical to consider environmentalism and vegetarianism/veganism to be "woke" positions.

Like "socialism", "woke" has become a lazy slur used by conservatives to refer to anything they either don't like or don't understand. If used in this context, serious discussion is impossible.

Thumbs up on the first two paragraphs.

As for the 3rd - I have no attachment to the term "woke". That said, there is a non-trivial far-left whose behaviors are often counter productive. As a "classical liberal" I do not want this far-left to be bundled in with classic liberalism.

What term should we use when discussing the far-left's questionable ideas or tactics?

 

[Stevicus]

I would say a genuine expert on the matter would be Catilyn Jenner.

Jenner is an expert on Wheaties. Not that there's anything wrong with Wheaties.