Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[We Never Know]

And what is South of the South Pole?

A zeptosecond after the BB, was there a South?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's a fairly simple question I asked about 10 posts back. Can you show evidence for your claim that BBT claims something came from nothing?

At this point I'm assuming you can't or you would have answered sensibly to my first post.

I could care less about your requests, if you think BBT says that existence is eternal and spacetime existed before the BB, that's fine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The finite is not the same as the infinite, do you understand?

I understand much much better than you do. You do not understand how that analogy applies to the Big Bang.

 

[John53]

I could care less about your requests, if you think BBT says that existence is eternal and spacetime existed before the BB, that's fine.

lol ok. And like I've told you several times I do not understand BBT. I was hoping to learn something from you but all I've learnt is ways to not answer a simple question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A zeptosecond after the BB, was there a South?

Yes. But not quite. The "Big Bang" was the early expansion of the universe. But I am answering the spirit of your question. A zeptosecond after the start of the Big Bang there was a south.. Though personally I not think that there is an answer for your question if one is dealing with only one unit of Planck time. Then I would have to say, I am pretty sure that no one knows. I definitely do not know.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I understand much much better than you do. Yo do not understand how that analogy applies to the Big Bang.

Oh, you think you do, now I know you are joking.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, you think you do, now I know you are joking.

I have demonstrated it. When I made claims that require evidence I have presented it. When you have made claims that require evidence you run away.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes. But not quite. The "Big Bang" was the early expansion of the universe. But I am answering the spirit of your question. A zeptosecond after the start of the Big Bang there was a south.. Though personally I not think that there is an answer for your question if one is dealing with only one unit of Planck time. Then I would have to say, I am pretty sure that no one knows. I definitely do not know.

"A zeptosecond after the start of the Big Bang there was a south"

There was a south of/to what? Space has a south?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

lol ok. And like I've told you several times I do not understand BBT. I was hoping to learn something from you but all I've learnt is ways to not answer a simple question.

Fine, goodbye John, and remember, existence can not come from no-existence, it is impossible.

 

[John53]

Fine, goodbye John, and remember, existence can not come from no-existence, it is impossible.

Who says it can?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have demonstrated it. When I made claims that require evidence I have presented it. When you have made claims that require evidence you run away.

SZ, you are probably the greatest whiner on RF.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There was a south of what?

South of that time. It appears that you do not understand that analogy. Time is the equivalent dimension to latitude in the analogy where the universe is treated as a globe and the Big Bang starts at the South Pole. In that analogy, as I said time is latitude. The size of the universe represented by East West directions. It is far from a perfect analogy and falls apart somewhere south of the equator.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who says it can?

Some BBers interpret the BBT that way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

SZ, you are probably the greatest whiner on RF.

No, I only correct obvious errors. Like the ones that you make. You then whine about the corrections that you do not understand and begin making personal attacks against others.

 

[We Never Know]

South of that time. It appears that you do not understand that analogy. Time is the equivalent dimension to latitude in the analogy where the universe is treated as a globe and the Big Bang starts at the South Pole. In that analogy, as I said time is latitude. The size of the universe represented by East West directions. It is far from a perfect analogy and falls apart somewhere south of the equator.

So wouldn't time be south of the south pole?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some BBers interpret the BBT that way.

Some may. But no one here has.

 

[John53]

Some BBers interpret the BBT that way.

Who?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Some may. But no one here has.

They will not admit it, but the implication of their interpretation leads to that theoretical reality.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who?

C'mon, I suspect you are one, are you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So wouldn't time be south of the south pole?

No, time is the latitude north of the South Pole. You can only go so far South on a globe. And it appears time wise that one can only go back to the Big Bang. Right now there does not appear to be a before the Big Bang. Our minds have a hard time grasping this, but there may be no before the Big Bang. Which makes the arguments of some sound rather nonsensical.

One thing to realize is that as mass and energy get more and more compact time flows slower and slower. We now have the ability to measure the time difference in a length of only one ladder step. A clock deeper into the Earth's gravity well will run more slowly than one higher up. That is what was predicted by Einstein's General Relativity When it comes to GPS and satellites orbiting the Earth corrections must be made for the time differences due to both General and Special relativity.