We Never Know
No Slack
Great. It all poofed!
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Let's not talk about the Big Bang
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No, they re-evaluated their evidence and theories to see whether they were wrong. Given the conflict, either the BB age of 13.7 by was wrong or the age of the stars was wrong. BOTH possibilities were investigated. It was found that the age of the stars was wrong.
This is how science works: when a conflict is found, we go back and re-evaluate the evidence to see where we messed up.
Our methods aren't perfect but with more study and adjustments they get better.
My point.. How/why would anyone date anything inside the universe as older than the universe itself when we are sure of the age of the universe.
Methuselah: The oldest star in the universe
How can a star be older than the universe?www.space.com
Well, that's the point. Both the ages of the stars and the age of the universe were based on evidence, but it was *very* different sorts of evidence (the ages of the stars were based on models of how stars change over time). Either theory could be wrong, either set of evidence could be misleading. So the conflict needed to be resolved.
This happens all the time in science. Two different lines of evidence lead to conflicting conclusions. So the conflict needs to be resolved by looking at things again and maybe doing new observations.
Nope. the phrase 'came from' implies time. The universe of spacetime 'simply exists'. All 'coming from' is within spacetime.
Nope. There was no point at which it didn't exist.
Nope. Whenever anything existed, there was expansion.
If by 'poofed', you mean that it is finite in age, sure.
If by 'poofed' you mean there was a *process* by which it came into existence, no.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I don't know.
The question itself might not even make any sense.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
How do you know that?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
I'm curious to know why you seem so desperate to cling to this 'poofing' idea of yours, rather than to learn what science can tell us about it?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Causes happen BEFORE effects.
If you are going to imply that the universe is an effect, then you imply that something happened BEFORE the universe.
And our observations tell us that there is no such thing.
Just like there is no such thing as north of north.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We are living in the universe so it's a pretty sure bet others are as well.
Just a matter of time.
We Never Know
No Slack
As you've said several times in this thread, Prove it!
Our science breaks down at a point so you can't. Its your belief.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Didn't it?
So when was this?
Please point me to the point in time when the universe supposedly didn't exist.
The universe itself is expanding. So the universe had to exist when it started expanding.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't need that feeling. But I accept you do it differently.
We Never Know
No Slack
Our science breaks down at a point so you can't know that. Its your belief.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Robbing a bank is unreasonable. We all know why
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Again, not a belief.
Time is an inherent part of the universe.
That's what literally every theory of cosmology tells us.
That's what I go with.
I don't know what you are going with.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, not in a civil war as an example. And I am not your we. Stop doing that!!!
We Never Know
No Slack
It just happened. God did it.
IMO both are beliefs, just at different ends.
The point of the expansion could have existed for infinty. Until our science allows us to go that far back no one knows.
There was, there wasnt... are beliefs.
It didn't exist, Then it did is simplistic misinformation that does not address the subject.
The singularity most likely existed before the big bang or our universe is possible cyclic and a previous universe possibly existed. It is possible that our singularity formed from black holes of the previous universe.
Yes, theoretical models and math theorems represent the 'cutting edge' of contemporary physics. It is their predictive ability of the future discoveries and research that will determine the course of science. Unreasonable demands of 'evidence now' clouds the understanding if science, which is very different than science of the past when we were dealing with 'here and now evidence' of the nature of our physical existence.
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We Never Know
No Slack
"singularity most likely existed before the big bang"
I agree. It supposedly had a state of high temperature and density which...
-produced
-caused
-set in motion
-started
-brought forth
-etc (_______) <insert word
The BB.