Let's talk about Hell

[look3467]

was there a global flood? NO its a LIE
did the sun revolve around the earth? NO its a LIE
jobs story is another LIE
the tower of babal is another huge LIE>>>outhouse

If all are lies, then anything said about the existence of a God by anyone outside the bible content, has no credibility.

Therefore, the existence of a God is a non-existent God,leaving mankind without any hope of an after life.

Question is, which scenario does one want to take?

Either way, life goes on until the end .

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

If all are lies, then anything said about the existence of a God by anyone outside the bible content, has no credibility.

Therefore, the existence of a God is a non-existent God,leaving mankind without any hope of an after life.

Question is, which scenario does one want to take?

Either way, life goes on until the end .

Blessings, AJ

just because you dont like reality in my opinion

doesnt mean you get a choice between the two. you dont.

occams razor doesnt apply properly at all.

Therefore, the existence of a God is a non-existent God,leaving mankind without any hope of an after life.

you have to look at this in perspective. according to your god in which a third of the population follow and of those only about %5 go to church ion a regular basis.

only a small percentage will get into this heaven or afterlife no one knows anything about.

if a man lives a good life but knows not the word of god because he was born in a village without modern religion, your god would not help him. That is how silly your version is.

we know the bible lies and not on purpose. Its not gods word it is 3000 year old ancient mans word and its blatantly the truth.

the earth was not created in 6 days
there was no global flood
the tower of babal didnt happen that way there were many languages before that.
jobe didnt happen
red sea didnt part

and hell was just a 24/7 burning garbage heap outside the city walls [maybe] even that may have been a tall tale

all my opinion

 

[look3467]

just because you dont like reality in my opinion

doesnt mean you get a choice between the two. you dont.>>>outhouse

If anyone can appreciate reality, it is I.

You see, reality is because I am who I am, meaning, I am an individual entity, were it not for reality.

The choice I have in reality is to accept it as from God or to reject the whole notion of a God.

you have to look at this in perspective. according to your god in which a third of the population follow and of those only about %5 go to church ion a regular basis.

only a small percentage will get into this heaven or afterlife no one knows anything about.

If you looked at it from my perspective, and as I understand the works of God to be, you are included, as well as I, into the realm of the hereafter.

The question on when, depending on our accepting the promise of the hereafter, having not seen it, but by faith gain entrance sooner than later.

Here's and illustration of Gods works.

Let's use fish, the guppy, I here they multiply fast and numerous.

Let's say I was a God with the powers of a God; created guppy's and named them both Adam.

From Adam his equal, Eve was created. So now we have two guppy fish, one male and the other female.

The next step for me is to place them into an environment that is conducive to their fleshly desires. The water tank. (Earth)

Because I have enabled them to think, reason and make judgments (Decisions), they have actually become as like me, (gods)to know both good and evil.

Since I can be the only God of the universe and all creation, I will not allow any other gods before me.

So, the guppy's must go. (Die)

Technically, their existence is doomed from the get go, but wait, I was not yet finished with the creation process.

Because I created them, and subjected them into a world of vanity, they of themselves can not have a life after. They were created, thus powerless to do so.

So I said to my self, I should also become a guppy, just like them, but in my case, I would have the power to effect and after life, being that I am the creator in the flesh as a guppy.

And that I did! I became a guppy and told everybody (All guppies) that I would include them in my resurrection into the hereafter. If they believed in me while they were yet alive in the tank, they could tap into my powers to overcome difficulties in the fish tank world.

And that, is basically the works of God in simple illustration.

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

You need to realize creation is a myth

evolution is pretty much a fact as gravity and there is no debate about this.

The creation myth was outlawed from public schools for a reason

 

[look3467]

You need to realize creation is a myth

evolution is pretty much a fact as gravity and there is no debate about this.

The creation myth was outlawed from public schools for a reason

The creation story to me is not a myth, but a working model of what I believe in, place my faith in and to this very day, have testimony of how the creator God has influenced, aided and protected me these many years. I'm sixty four.

There is no way in h*** that I would ever give it up! That is how strong I am a believer.

I have enjoyed God's comfort, peace of mind, tranquility in times of trouble with full assurances, that He would deliver me.

I don't know about you, but I would find it very difficult to go through this life without God.

blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

There is no way in h*** that I would ever give it up! That is how strong I am a believer.

I know you wont, thankfully we have laws to protect your thoughts from being taught to our children.

allot has changes since you were formally educated.

 

[Pegg]

You need to realize creation is a myth

evolution is pretty much a fact as gravity and there is no debate about this.

The creation myth was outlawed from public schools for a reason

and yet the more science learns about life and its processes, the less likely the evolution of life becomes....as in the chance of life arising without direction is practically impossible.

even long time athiests who have promoted evolution have changed their tune in light of dna and genetics

and the universe was once believed by scientists to be everlasting....yet science now accepts that it had a beginning as the bible states. The real fact is that the more scientists learn, the more accurate the bible becomes.



*let me just reiterate here that when i say 'evolution' im talking about 'life arising by means of evolution' ... im not talking about how animals change over time.

 

[look3467]

I know you wont, thankfully we have laws to protect your thoughts from being taught to our children.

allot has changes since you were formally educated.

And what laws might they be?

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

And what laws might they be?

Blessings, AJ

it is unconstitutional to teach myths in public schools because it is not science it is religion.

 

[outhouse]

, the less likely the evolution of life becomes

im sorry there is no debate about evolution it is an observation of facts

as in the chance of life arising without direction is practically impossible

that is a lie or ignorance

creation has no proof

even long time athiests who have promoted evolution have changed their tune in light of dna and genetics

thi swill also be a lie or ignorance

evolution is solid and its not going anywhere.

please educate yourself.

. The real fact is that the more scientists learn, the more accurate the bible becomes.

no im sorry peg the more science knows the less accurate the bible has become.

it is not a history book it is not a science book.

the earth is not flat
the sun doesnt revolve around the earth
there was no global flood
jobe didnt happen
babal didnt happen
earth was not created in 6 days
man and woman were not created in 1 day
rainbows were present before the flood
adam did not live 900+ years
noah did not live 800+ years

and on and on and on

what happened to not reading the bible litterally??

 

[look3467]

it is unconstitutional to teach myths in public schools because it is not science it is religion.

The whole object of separation of church and state was to prevent any particular belief from becoming a one belief system for this country.

The creation story is just one view, the other is evolution.

Neither one can be proven, so the myth applies to both sides.

You've made your choice, I've made mine.

Do I put down your choice? Of course not, for I am not against choice.

Do I make light of your choice? Again, I do not.

Be it as it may.

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

Neither one can be proven,

im sorry despite your words creation is a myth and evolution is fact as gravity.

there is no biology without evolution, there are no biomechanics all of the biotech industry would fail without evolution.

Do I put down your choice?

its not a choice

evolution is fact it is observed facts

 

[waitasec]

the jewish God was not in a popularity contest. He came and chose a group of people to represent him...they didnt choose him. Nor did any other nations even know who he was.

But he certainly proved to them his Godship and Power and the fact that the gods of the other nations were fakes. There is only one true God and he proved himself to be the one.

ever heard of constantine?

 

[waitasec]

The whole object of separation of church and state was to prevent any particular belief from becoming a one belief system for this country.

The creation story is just one view, the other is evolution.

Neither one can be proven, so the myth applies to both sides.

You've made your choice, I've made mine.

Do I put down your choice? Of course not, for I am not against choice.

Do I make light of your choice? Again, I do not.

Be it as it may.

Blessings, AJ

take a look at this...
warning: the audio is really loud so turn your volume down a bit
[youtube]zEP50dxfRAw[/youtube]
YouTube - Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bible in Classroom

 

[look3467]

Waitasec,

Well, I got to give it to the guy for being very intelligent concerning the things known about the heavens and the sciences.

What the man has not had is, in my view a personal encounter with the creator.

If and when that should happen, as it has with me, his intelligences will not change, but his heart will.

In this world, you have degrees of intelligences across a wide spectrum of races of peoples, not necessarily in the sciences, but also in the philosophical spiritual nature.

The fight between the two is ageless and can be simply defined in two words: Spirit and physical.

We are made up of both, and one is always against the other.

The one that prevails over the other determines the nature of the individual.

There is however, a nature foreign to ours (Not of this world)and that being the spiritual nature of the creator.

When we connect our spiritual nature to the Creators spiritual nature, we are transformed from a dead state to a live state.

That live state is "The beginning of life", not of the physical, but of the spiritual nature of the Creator God.

The connection key is "faith" in God.

If not interested........well, keep on trucking in this life, because under that view, this is all there is.

Blessings, AJ

 

[outhouse]

man your doing allot of talking brother

but your not saying much.

have you ever noticed how the OLD sick and dieing start clinging on to religion tighter then most people???

those that are about to step over into the unknown are scared, the fear will guide them into a place not near reality.

evolution is fact and theory. If you dont know this its because your mind is closed and you wish not to learn. if your god is real would he want you to behaive this way?

 

[Beta]

Waitasec,
Well, I got to give it to the guy for being very intelligent concerning the things known about the heavens and the sciences.
What the man has not had is, in my view a personal encounter with the creator.
If and when that should happen, as it has with me, his intelligences will not change, but his heart will.
In this world, you have degrees of intelligences across a wide spectrum of races of peoples, not necessarily in the sciences, but also in the philosophical spiritual nature.
The fight between the two is ageless and can be simply defined in two words: Spirit and physical.
We are made up of both, and one is always against the other.
he one that prevails over the other determines the nature of the individual.
There is however, a nature foreign to ours (Not of this world)and that being the spiritual nature of the creator.
When we connect our spiritual nature to the Creators spiritual nature, we are transformed from a dead state to a live state.
That live state is "The beginning of life", not of the physical, but of the spiritual nature of the Creator God.
The connection key is "faith" in God.
If not interested........well, keep on trucking in this life, because under that view, this is all there is.
Blessings, AJ

Friend , I have not always seen eye to eye with you in the past but I believe you have excelled yourself in this post - speaking spirit to spirit ! Well done Sir !
If I may just make a point about 'connecting with God' - is it not HE who does the connecting Jas 1v18 - albeit through our faith. Would you agree ?

 

[Pegg]

im sorry there is no debate about evolution it is an observation of facts

no, science is an observation of facts

no one observed a chimp become a human therefore it is a 'theory'

see the difference?

the earth is not flat

in the 8th century B.C.E., when the view was that the earth was flat, the prophet Isaiah stated with remarkable simplicity: “There is One who is dwelling above the chugh of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) This Hebrew word can mean both circle and sphere.

the sun doesnt revolve around the earth

and the bible does not say that the sun revolves around the earth

there was no global flood
jobe didnt happen
jobe didnt happen
babal didnt happen
earth was not created in 6 days
man and woman were not created in 1 day
rainbows were present before the flood
adam did not live 900+ years
noah did not live 800+ years

all these objections are very nice, but you cannot prove or disprove them.

There is evidence that that earth has be engulfed in water numerous times...ice ages is what geologists generally call them... perhaps one of these ice ages is the flood event. The fact that some mammoths have been found with food still in their mouths snap frozen in the arctic ice shows that they were caught in a sudden catatsrophic event.

Job was an ancient man... you cant prove him nor disprove him.

Babel has been found and the ancient ziggurats have been unearthed... you can neither prove nor disprove if one of the ziggurats were from the story of the bible.

Earth was not created in six days, true. The hebrew word used for 'day' is Yom. Its a word that can mean eons or ages of time.

How do you know rainbows were present before the flood? The bible says that there had not been rain on the earth...that the earth was watered by a nightly mist that rose from the soil. If thats true then there would not have been a rainbow because a rainbow is the result of the water vapor high in the atmosphere.

we have trees that live for 1,000 years...of course man could have lived that long, why not?

 

[outhouse]

therefore it is a 'theory'

your not stupid but you do have a lack of education

a theory yes, but a scientific theory is not the same as you describe. gravity is a theory and if you jump up I can predict what will happen next. science doesnt even predict that way, they observe facts.

Like it or not humans evolved, there is no debate creation is a myth end of story.

to say different is to be in denial and then you must lie to yourself and others daily.

in the 8th century B.C.E., when the view was that the earth was flat

im sorry peg but we know back then when the OT was written round earth was not known. yes it was disovered and became more widespread around 330bc but much of the OT was already written.

and the bible does not say that the sun revolves around the earth

actually it does and the church murdered bruno for his thougts that the earth revolved around the sun. The church wanted to murder galileo for the same thought, instead he died in house arrest years later for commiting no crime at all just trying to advance science. The church hates when science proves its myths wrong.

fact is we know how the church viewed it no matter how you want to state or phrase there ancient writtings.

but you cannot prove or disprove them.

yes you can [face palm] this one is laughable

There is evidence that that earth has be engulfed in water numerous times

prove it, because that is a blatant lie.

perhaps one of these ice ages is the flood event

laughable peg, perhaps your imagination is getting the best of you.

so noah built a ark with 2 or 7 animals to ride out the ice?

come on.

Babel has been found

yes and we know there were many languages before then so the whole story is a lie

if you wanted to use your imagination you could say it was the pyramids. i dont.

The hebrew word used for 'day' is Yom. Its a word that can mean eons or ages of time.

the bible also states a 24 hour day is a day.

How do you know rainbows were present before the flood?

are you serious??? why dont you please please tell me how a rainbow could NOT happen.

The bible says that there had not been rain on the earth

come on peg how can you believe this, you know its a outright lie.

there is proof in fossils we had rainforest long before the bible was written

we have trees that live for 1,000 years...of course man could have lived that long, why not?

are you serious???

we still have trees that live 2 thousand years lol but man has never lived that long ever!



peg look at how far fetched you have to imagine to put this all together. Its like watching the flinstones so you san do scientific research on cavemen.

in my opinion

 

[outhouse]

ALL of which has nothing to do with the mythical hell