Sonofason
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No, that is a different question altogether. I think freedom is much better for everyone. But I recognize that not all people are capable of autonomous living.
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Leviticus and Homosexuality
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No, that is a different question altogether. I think freedom is much better for everyone. But I recognize that not all people are capable of autonomous living.
dgirl1986
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That is not what your response indicated. It doesnt need to be posed in a different question. It is not about freedom being better for everyone, its about basic human right.
The bible points to killing people who work on the sabbath but I guess you do not have issue with that either.
Enslaved people are capable of "autonomous living"! They're not handicapped!
dgirl1986
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Exactly.
Sonofason
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If all people were capable of autonomous living, they would all be autonomous.
:areyoucra Try making sense.
Sonofason
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If there is no God, then there is no such thing as basic human rights. Human rights are a human concept and it is a concept that is not shared by every single human being on the planet. And the human concepts can be quite flawed. Try telling an Islamic terrorist that you have the right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Try telling an Islamic terrorist that he has no right to sell your wife to the highest bidder.
No, if you have any rights at all, it is either because you are strong enough to establish and maintain them, or someone else was strong enough and gracious enough to establish and maintain those rights for you. There is nothing basic about it. What value is the right to life once you've been beheaded?
The Bible suggests that there are many sins that are punishable by death. To me this means that those who break such laws of God deserve death. But just because someone deserves to die does not mean that I must give them what they deserve. If I should hope that God will be merciful to me, then I will show mercy to others, even if I know they deserve to die.
Sonofason
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Well then you can answer this question. If all people throughout history were capable of autonomous living, why weren't all people autonomous throughout history? Why would a slave be a slave if he were capable of not being a slave?
actually people were enslaved against his will. Because there was an unjust law that regulated slavery.
If the slave rebelled, he was killed.
dgirl1986
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God is not required for human rights. Human rights is usually something that people with empathy stand for, becaue they wouldnt want to be pushed down either. Also, I think you misunderstand what human rights are.
dgirl1986
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exactly.
Sonofason
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If a person is enslaved against his will, and he is incapable of being free, then he is incapable of being autonomous.
In such a case, I suggest that the slave obey his master.
Sonofason
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Explain why you think I misunderstand what human rights are.
dgirl1986
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It is easy to say that when you arent the one that has been enslaved.
Sonofason
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I think when you are enslaved, if you are ever enslaved, you will find it much easier to obey your master than to disobey your master.
dgirl1986
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Of course but no one would want to be enslaved and no one should be enslaved.
Sonofason
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The scriptures discuss how slaves should behave, it is because slavery was prevalent in those cultures. Slavery was legal. One could argue, I suppose, it was even necessary.
dgirl1986
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How on earth was it necessary?
Your bible might say how they should behave (which I find freaking insane) but that doesnt make people want to become enslaved.
Sonofason
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"Slavery seems to have been a common practice in many ancient societies such as Egypt, China andthe Middle East. Most slaves originated from the spoils of war, kidnap or voluntarily to pay for
debts."
"The kind of slavery the Israelites were subjected to in Egypt was clearly unacceptable to God, judging by their rescue and the regulations regarding slavery in the Mosaic Law."
"The Israelites were to treat their enslaved fellow Hebrews as if they were servants. (Lev 25 v39-40).They were also to give them the option of their freedom in the 7th year of their service (Ex 21 v2),and give them the means to make a new start (Deut 15 v12-18), although they could remain a slave
if they chose."
"If an Israelite fell upon hard times they could offer to work for someone else who would in turn look after them (Lev 25 v39). If a thief was caught and could not make restitution then they were to be sold for the theft (Ex 22: v3). Debtors who went bankrupt could be forced to sell their children into slavery (2 Kings 4 v1)."
all quotes from
http://archive.churchsociety.org/crossway/documents/Cway_102_Slavery1.pdf
dgirl1986
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horrid