Liberals feel/think if you don't support Biden, then you are a MAGA

[F1fan]

Voters having to deal with higher costs of groceries, fuel, rent, etc. will decide whether Biden or anyone else would be the best candidate.

What will Trump do to lower costs? Share with us his plan.

 

[anotherneil]

Therefore? At issue here is that you're the same dweller who backhandedly suggested that @F1fan cares nothing about violence other than gun violence.

FWIW, I'm trying to limit my ignore list. But you should feel free to ignore me if it helps.

Give me good enough reasons to do so & I will.

 

[anotherneil]

What will Trump do to lower costs? Share with us his plan.

What's in it for me to perform this task that you request from me? I don't work for free (at least for something like this, anyways).

 

[Magic Man]

Don't like Biden then you're a MAGA

No one actually says that.

What a crock of crap!

Speaking for myself I don't like either one. Both need to go away. I can't believe these two are the best America has to offer. Its embarrassing

One belongs in a psych ward, the other in a nursing home.

Just look at them....
One rambles on with narcissistic BS, and its all about him.
The other just rambles on and has to be lead around like a child.

How anyone can have any confidence in either of them baffles me.

There's nothing wrong with not liking either one. You shouldn't like Trump, due to all of his many, massive faults.

The reason people have confidence in Biden is his track record. He's actually been a pretty good president and gotten some solid legislation accomplished. He also surrounds himself with competent people who at worst will keep things going normally.

And beyond that, voting for him doesn't even mean you particularly like him or have confidence in him. It just means you realize the only other viable option is one of the worst possible choices.

But is it really confidence? Or is it party loyalty?

Party loyalty is destructive in itself IMO because its about nothing but the party. We have had these two parties for many years but in the last 25ish years they have became destructive to everything they touch or don't like.
All they see and their followers see is its about them.

The two parties suck! Wise up and accept that.

They both hinder each other which in turn hinder the people.

Its time we get rid of politician lifers, bring in new blood that can and will actually try to make changes for the best, for the people instead of for themselves.

We are 100% where we are because of the games and BS the two parties play.

Wise up folks.

I fully agree we need more viable parties. I've voted third party multiple times. It would be nice to have other parties, so that people can't just say "well, he's better than the alternative" and only have to contrast with that one other option.

However, the "both sides" narrative is one of the big reasons we're in this mess. I agree that neither side is particularly great, but clearly one side is demonstrably and immensely worse. Democrats have their flaws. An 81-year-old should not be president, even if he's done well so far. But they're at least mostly pushing for the right things, trying to improve the country and life for most Americans. They mostly adhere to advice from trusted experts in their fields. (Remember the mostly. I realize it's not always the case.)

Republicans' entire platform is outrage. Drag queens! Trans people! CRT! DEI! It's all about "owning the libs". That's why Trump is so popular. That's what he does. Outrage and attacking "enemies", which are those on the left. Instead of adjusting their views to the country, they try to rig the system more and more, so they can keep power without changing.

They get away with this - Trump gets away with this - largely because of this "both sides" narrative. The extremism on the right isn't seen as so extreme because "both sides suck". Trump's constant lies about everything big and small? All politicians lie. Trump is a convicted felon? Biden's done bad stuff too. Etc.

 

[Magic Man]

What's in it for me to perform this task that you request from me? I don't work for free (at least for something like this, anyways).

What's in it for you is having a normal discussion where you can support things you say and don't fall back on this kind of elementary-school refusal.

 

[Magic Man]

Oh I hear it all the time from the liberals I know. Plus, they tend to politicize EVERYTHING. It's tiresome.

I know. Like wearing masks during a pandemic. Taking a vaccine for a virus that caused that worldwide pandemic, trans people, climate change, DEI, CRT. Those liberals always politicizing everything! While conservatives just stay calm and don't get outraged about anything or politicize it.

 

[Kathryn]

I know. Like wearing masks during a pandemic. Taking a vaccine for a virus that caused that worldwide pandemic, trans people, climate change, DEI, CRT. Those liberals always politicizing everything! While conservatives just stay calm and don't get outraged about anything or politicize it.

Hey, just reporting what I experience on a daily basis. I do my best to avoid politics in general and specifically. I just try to live my life responsibly and let the chips fall where they will.

 

[Magic Man]

Hey, just reporting what I experience on a daily basis. I do my best to avoid politics in general and specifically. I just try to live my life responsibly and let the chips fall where they will.

You're reporting your interpretation of what you "see" on a daily basis. Considering how much conservatives politicize things, I think your interpretation is a little questionable.

 

[Kathryn]

You're reporting your interpretation of what you "see" on a daily basis. Considering how much conservatives politicize things, I think your interpretation is a little questionable.

OK think it.. It doesn't change what I literally experience all the freaking time.

 

[anotherneil]

What's in it for you is having a normal discussion where you can support things you say and don't fall back on this kind of elementary-school refusal.

You're subjecting me to a double standard; that request that I'm responding to is itself not for a normal discussion, yet I didn't see you post the same sort of response to that forum member at all. You should've done that before you responded to me in order to be conveying a valid argument.

It's not normal because I didn't do anything to warrant such a request, or if I did, no valid argument was presented by the poster to show that I'm on the hook; as such, it involves me having to burden myself by having to put the time and effort into doing something that they can do themselves since they have the same resources to access the same answer. I never presented myself as a representative of the Trump campaign, and that's because I'm not part of it. Furthermore, an objective request would be to provide the plans of all the candidates, not just one arbitrarily selected candidate.

 

[Magic Man]

OK think it.. It doesn't change what I literally experience all the freaking time.

It doesn't change your interpretation, that's true. The only question is what's actually happening. While liberals are guilty of politicizing things, "they politicize EVERYTHING" is a more appropriate thing to say about conservatives at this point.

 

[Kathryn]

It doesn't change your interpretation, that's true. The only question is what's actually happening. While liberals are guilty of politicizing things, "they politicize EVERYTHING" is a more appropriate thing to say about conservatives at this point.

So you say but I don't find it to be so.

 

[Magic Man]

MAGA stands for "make America great again" & I'm for that. If being for making America great again is "wrong" then I don't want to be "right".

It's that "again" dogwhistle. We don't go backwards, we go forwards. Amd again? America hasn't been that great for that many groups, and this "make it like it was" means a loss of rights for those not in those few privileged groups.

Forward doesn't mean better; it can mean things have gotten worse. There have been plenty of losses, including rights - take 2nd Amendment rights, as an example. There are other issues, such as inflation (legal financial bankster theft).

Why would you blame Biden for inflation? If anything you should vote for him since he has done better with inflation than other countries have.

Voters having to deal with higher costs of groceries, fuel, rent, etc. will decide whether Biden or anyone else would be the best candidate.

What will Trump do to lower costs? Share with us his plan.

What's in it for me to perform this task that you request from me? I don't work for free (at least for something like this, anyways).

What's in it for you is having a normal discussion where you can support things you say and don't fall back on this kind of elementary-school refusal.

You're subjecting me to a double standard; that request that I'm responding to is itself not for a normal discussion, yet I didn't see you post the same sort of response to that forum member at all. You should've done that before you responded to me in order to be conveying a valid argument.

It's not normal because I didn't do anything to warrant such a request, or if I did, no valid argument was presented by the poster to show that I'm on the hook; as such, it involves me having to burden myself by having to put the time and effort into doing something that they can do themselves since they have the same resources to access the same answer. I never presented myself as a representative of the Trump campaign, and that's because I'm not part of it. Furthermore, an objective request would be to provide the plans of all the candidates, not just one arbitrarily selected candidate.

Here is the whole exchange that led up to this. You started by saying that you support "Make America Great Again". You then suggested things have gotten worse, and your two examples were Second Amendment rights and inflation, and then implied it can be blamed on Biden. You were then asked what Trump would do that would improve inflation, and that's how we got here.

So, we'll start here:

1) In what ways have Second Amendment rights been lost?

2) How has inflation gotten worse? If it's about making it "great again", what period are you going back to that had better inflation?

3) In what way can the "worse" inflation be blamed on Biden? And then what would Trump do differently?

 

[Magic Man]

So you say but I don't find it to be so.

Again, I'm sure you don't. But since it's the reality of the situation, that says more about your perception.

 

[Kathryn]

Again, I'm sure you don't. But since it's the reality of the situation, that says more about your perception.

Maybe it says more about both perceptions. I think anyone who stands outside a person's convictions is more noticeable to that person. I mean, I can post social media memes and comments if you like but I'd rather not to be honest. Like I've stated ad nauseum, I prefer to be apolitical.

 

[F1fan]

What's in it for me to perform this task that you request from me?

Building credibility.

I don't work for free (at least for something like this, anyways).

But you’re liberal at stating your opinions without working to justify them.

 

[Magic Man]

Maybe it says more about both perceptions. I think anyone who stands outside a person's convictions is more noticeable to that person. I mean, I can post social media memes and comments if you like but I'd rather not to be honest. Like I've stated ad nauseum, I prefer to be apolitical.

But your comments here are political. This might be part of the problem. As you say, you don't see certain things as political because you agree with them, or they're "inoffensive" to you.

 

[HonestJoe]

Don't like Biden then you're a MAGA

Is that like assuming that anyone who doesn't like Trump is a "Liberal"?

I totally agree with the fundamental problem that is the divisive binary politics of the US, but I don't think you do yourself any credit by opening that argument with your own divisive binary attack.

 

[Pogo]

MAGA stands for "make America great again" & I'm for that. If being for making America great again is "wrong" then I don't want to be "right".

And the SS motto in world war II was God is with US, would that justify in your mind the actions of the SS organization if you believed in God?

How about Arbeit macht Frei, isn't that just like the idea of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps?

 

[Pogo]

Many worship Hillary...
and that's unfortunate.

many people are saying is Trump's meme for pretending his ideas are actually considered by others.

Show us these Hillary worshipers.