My God is the God of all peoples and Faiths.
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Logically, agnosticism is the most rational position
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My God is the God of all peoples and Faiths.
No, it isn't.
We believe there is only one God and that all religions come from the same Source.
We've been through this before. You don't actually believe this either. You only think that the parts of other religions that you agree with come from God.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
OceanSoul
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I said "generally" so I'm using a broad brush there
admittedly. Most Atheists I speak to say there is not enough evidence for them to believe in any gods, neither in the world, science, or their personal lives. I don't think they are representative of them all, it just seems common.
That doesn't explain why there are agnostics who neither consider themselves atheists nor theists for whatever reasons.
And most theists I speak to are trinitarians. It would be incorrect for me to infer from this that a person has to be a trinitarian to be a theist.
Not considering onesself an atheist and not being an atheist are two different things.
Whatever, theist.Wrong again, skippy.
Baha'is would give their lives for any of the other Faiths if they were called upon to do so.
The depth of our love and devotion for other Faiths is unquestionable.
If you really knew what we believe you would never say that.
So what, people have different interpretations? That doesn't mean we don't accept others Faiths. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus all are split into different sects. That doesn't mean they don't accept their religion!
We accept all religions but as they do have their own interpretation of their religion so do we. That doesn't make us any less believers than them.
We accept all Faiths but we differ in our interpretation just like they do amongst themselves. We believe we have the interpretation which can unite them all.
But to say we just pick out bits is to completely misunderstand the Baha'i Cause.
We read from their Holy Books in our Houses of Worship every week throughout the world. Their Faith is a part and parcel of ours.
I have more Buddhist, Muslim, Christian and other religions books than I have Baha'i books and I spent over $20O recently on Bible software. If the Bible were just something I picked bits out of I wouldn't treasure it like a diamond which I do. Why would I spend my money on Bible's when I am a Baha'i? Because it is an integral part of my Faith.
I love the Bible and Quran and all the Holy Books of all Faiths MORE than the followers of their own religion.
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Then your god is so unbelievably inconsistent it's not funny.
jonathan180iq
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DRINK IT!
I admire your devotion to your faith - but you're just wrong about a lot of things.
The god that you've invented, the god that makes the most logical sense for you to worship, is a creation of all the other gods that were invented before it. Your god is not Thor just as Thor is not your god.
When you create an all encompassing concept to purposefully include the characteristics and traits of all the gods and religions that you know of, it's amazing how accurate your expectations of god will be with the actual characteristics attributed to it.
Your god cannot be Yahweh and Shiva at the same time, as their claims and traits are mutually exclusive.
It's a great idea in your head, this one of Unification. But at the end of the day, it's not correct.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And there's the twist. Both positions require a belief in deity to start with. The differences begin regarding belief in said deity's active participation in the lives of the created. So deism is a form of theism in the sense it's not a form of atheism.
OceanSoul
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Okay then. However, if someone says they aren't an atheist nor a theist then I don't see much point in telling them otherwise. Transtheists, for instance.
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DRINK IT!
I admire your devotion to your faith - but you're just wrong about a lot of things.
The god that you've invented, the god that makes the most logical sense for you to worship, is a creation of all the other gods that were invented before it. Your god is not Thor just as Thor is not your god.
When you create an all encompassing concept to purposefully include the characteristics and traits of all the gods and religions that you know of, it's amazing how accurate your expectations of god will be with the actual characteristics attributed to it.
Your god cannot be Yahweh and Shiva at the same time, as their claims and traits are mutually exclusive.
It's a great idea in your head, this one of Unification. But at the end of the day, it's not correct.
Reality is one. Truth does not contradict itself. Since when did diversity of names mean a contradiction? Is the sun of Monday or Tuesday or Friday only different in name but in reality isn't it just one sun?
Reality can be called whatever we want. That's diversity. But truth doesn't contradict itself. The good of the Hindu or the Jew or the Christian is still goodness although named differently. Why are we so bogged down by names?
It's called unity in diversity, we can be different and still be united. Our common humanity is enough to unite us.
There are plenty of true things that I don't see much point in telling people. They're still true, though.
I know what you've told me in other threads. I think my conclusion is fair.
That isn't the impression you've left me with.
They read translations of Jewish holy books every week in Christian churches. This doesn't mean that Christians are Jews.
I'm not going to speak to your motivations. I will say, though: if you have kids, I hope you don't instill in them the idea that spending $200 on something necessarily implies respect. Especially at prom.
You love parts of them. Other parts, not so much. Quran verse 33:40, for instance.
The first big red flag that your definitions are wrong: the way you use "God-with-a-capital-g" when speaking about theism and deism in the general sense. Not all gods are named "God".
The actual definitions:
Theism: belief in the existence of a god or gods.
Deism: belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.
Deism (belief in a non-interventionist god) is a subset of theism (belief in a god or gods).
Your "theism" definition is fairly close to the definition of classical monotheism... but classical monotheism is not the be-all and end-all of theism.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
In order for that to mean something you first have to actually acknowledge the diversity. Based on our discussions in another thread, you do not have a good track record in doing that.
This definition precludes belief in God who is not "a god," as in one amongst many, but "the one and only god."