"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[Thanda]

I don't see that proving your point. We'll have to agree to disagree I guess.

Your 9 months pregnant is simply a possible scenario. Many rapes don't result in pregnancy, in fact most don't. And there are rapists who even use condoms. There are just so many different possibilities. So how then do you decide that something so complex and variable has one solution - capital punishment? It simply doesn't make sense; Unless you made every type of assault punishable by death. Then it still not wouldn't make sense, but at least you would be consistent.

 

[SkylarHunter]

The fact that a group who promotes rape is being given attention instead of many years in jail makes me see what a sad world we live in.

 

[Revoltingest]

The fact that a group who promotes rape is being given attention instead of many years in jail makes me see what a sad world we live in.

It isn't criminal to advocate legalization of brutality & assault.
It's merely heinous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And therefore, having the death penalty for rape, without qualifying what kind of rape under what circumstances is illogical.

I don't support the death penalty for rape, but rape is rape. There are different circumstances, but they are all rape. Sentencing shouldn't be based on the victim's psychological strength and ability to recover, or how badly injured they are, but solely on the fact that the attacker committed a rape. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do support chemical castration (or physical, if the offender chooses).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It isn't criminal to advocate legalization of brutality & assault.

It would be a very different story if it was aimed at government officials. There would be consequences if a group tried to legalize egging and TPing the homes of politicians. Advocating and supporting rape is not something we should have to tolerate, as it does support and condone violence.

 

[Thanda]

I don't support the death penalty for rape, but rape is rape. There are different circumstances, but they are all rape. Sentencing shouldn't be based on the victim's psychological strength and ability to recover, or how badly injured they are, but solely on the fact that the attacker committed a rape. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do support chemical castration (or physical, if the offender chooses).

Do you also support chopping or incapacitation of hands for stealing or assault, the chopping or incapacitation of feet for assault and the chopping off of the tongue for lying, bigotry and hate speech?

If not, why do you think rape is special?

 

[Revoltingest]

It would be a very different story if it was aimed at government officials. There would be consequences if a group tried to legalize egging and TPing the homes of politicians.

No, that would be legal too.
To advocate the legalization of something horrible is very
different from advocating the commission of a crime.

 

[columbus]

The fact that a group who promotes rape is being given attention instead of many years in jail makes me see what a sad world we live in.

Was this ever anything more than an attention grab by some embarrassingly juvenile guys?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Was this ever anything more than an attention grab by some embarrassingly juvenile guys?
Tom

"Juvenile" seems the wrong word, since such a vile outlook isn't typical of youths....at least none I've ever known.
No, I'd say it's more of a "criminal", "sociopathic" or "thuggish" mentality.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If not, why do you think rape is special?

Because rape is violent and frequently traumatic. A thief tends to not psychologically harm their victims. Unlike theft, rape can never be a desperate act of survival. It can never be done in self-defense, and it's far more than slugging someone because they provoked and taunted you.

 

[9Westy9]

I don't support the death penalty for rape, but rape is rape. There are different circumstances, but they are all rape. Sentencing shouldn't be based on the victim's psychological strength and ability to recover, or how badly injured they are, but solely on the fact that the attacker committed a rape. I don't agree with the death penalty, but I do support chemical castration (or physical, if the offender chooses).

So you would support castration of people found guilty of rape, even though some of them will be wrongly convicted?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you would support castration of people found guilty of rape, even though some of them will be wrongly convicted?

Not before a careful review of the case. If there is reasonable doubt, no, and false-reports are rare to begin with.

 

[Thanda]

Because rape is violent and frequently traumatic. A thief tends to not psychologically harm their victims. Unlike theft, rape can never be a desperate act of survival. It can never be done in self-defense, and it's far more than slugging someone because they provoked and taunted you.

Aside from the fact that it can be a desperate act of survival (there have been such cases in my country) we'll leave that for now.

What's important is that those are not the only conditions under which people steal. And I was assaulted without ever having had a conversation with the perpetrator.

And as I have said before, rape is not always violent. Many rapes happen while people are unconscious.

So you are still left justifying why you have a one size fits all punishment for something that is not always the same. You seem to have no problem categorizing assaults, thefts, lies and bigotry.

So the question remains, why do you think rape is special?

 

[9Westy9]

Not before a careful review of the case. If there is reasonable doubt, no, and false-reports are rare to begin with.

There will still be the inevitable few that will slip through the net. Also what do you mean by rare? 5%? Less? More?

 

[Akivah]

Not before a careful review of the case. If there is reasonable doubt, no, and false-reports are rare to begin with.

Not THAT rare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It is extremely difficult to assess the prevalence of false accusations. Not all jurisdictions have a distinct classification of false accusation, resulting in these cases being combined with other types of cases (e.g. where the accuser did not physically resist the suspect or sustain injuries) under headings such as "unfounded" or "unproved". There are many reasons other than falsity that can result in a rape case being closed as unfounded or unproven. DiCanio (1993) states that while researchers and prosecutors do not agree on the exact percentage of false allegations, they generally agree on a range of 2% to 10%.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Aside from the fact that it can be a desperate act of survival (there have been such cases in my country) we'll leave that for now.

What's important is that those are not the only conditions under which people steal. And I was assaulted without ever having had a conversation with the perpetrator.

And as I have said before, rape is not always violent. Many rapes happen while people are unconscious.

So you are still left justifying why you have a one size fits all punishment for something that is not always the same. You seem to have no problem categorizing assaults, thefts, lies and bigotry.

So the question remains, why do you think rape is special?

I would say rape is violent, by definition. (Whether the victim is conscious or not.)

 

[Thanda]

I would say rape is violent, by definition. (Whether the person is conscious or not.)

By what definition? That is, what about the definition of rape makes it inherently violent?

 

[SkepticThinker]

By what definition?

By the definition of the word "rape."

RAPE:
1: an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent — compare sexual assault, statutory rape
3: an outrageous violation
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape

rape:
noun
1.
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of thevagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by asex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent ofthe victim.
2.statutory rape.
3.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation:
the rape of the countryside.
4.Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object), raped, raping.
5.to commit the crime of rape on (a person).
6.to plunder (a place); despoil:
The logging operation raped a wide tract of forest without regard forthe environmental impact of their harvesting practices.
7.to seize, take, or carry off by force.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

That is, what about the definition of rape makes it inherently violent?

What is not violent about rape?

 

[Thanda]

What is not violent about rape?

You have provided a whole lot of definitions (some of which are irrelevant I might add) but none of them have shown that rape is inherently violent. Taking something that belongs to someone without consent does not in and of itself prove violence. Theft is an example of taking something without violence.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have provided a whole lot of definitions (some of which are irrelevant I might add) but none of them have shown that rape is inherently violent. Taking something that belongs to someone without consent does not in and of itself prove violence. Theft is an example of taking something without violence.

Statutory rape is often voluntary sex.
Imagine putting an 18 year old kid to death for that.....incredibly evil, eh?