"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Hey, the love of my life is a Weegie!

You callin ma burd a headcase, pal?

Are you trying to convince me that not only have you found the only burd in Glasgow who isn't a nutter; but that she's your girlfriend?

Away n take yer face for a ****e

 

[SomeRandom]

I never understood this whole "teach men not to rape."
First off, women can be rapists too (with victims being both male and female.)
Secondly, I don't think there are many rapists out there going around raping people thinking to themselves, "this is totally a reasonable and moral/ethical thing to do." I mean maybe a few, but I'd seriously question their moral compass. I mean might as well say let's teach murderers not to murder. Because clearly that's a solid method of preventing crime!
Thirdly, I don't think that all men have to be told not to rape random women. I don't know how many men are out there sincerely unaware that raping a woman is something awful to do to a person. I mean learning to traverse today's sexual politics and the blurrier aspects of consent. Yeah, that should be taught to kids. But really? You want to dedicate time to teach men how to behave like civilized human beings?

It just seems far too simplistic and paints all men as nothing but a bunch of animals driven by instinct (and it is this line of thinking that paints women as men hating ********. Neither is true.)

How about teaching people that rape is awful because of it's effects. Teach empathy, teach respect. Help people who tie their sexual behavior with their self esteem to reach a place of self confidence. Stuff like that.
I mean, it's not always this Utopian world of "no means no" that people like to pretend it is. Some men, for example, might find themselves being charged for rape because they had a drunken one night stand. Unless the woman was passed out, then it does take two to tango in many of these instances. The man might have taken advantage of the woman, which is obviously wrong and if that happens the man should be punished. On the flip side the woman might just regret it later and make a rape charge against the man to protect her social standing.
Like god forbid we acknowledge that things aren't always black and white in these types of scenarios.

Women likewise should be taught to defend themselves. Not because they are responsible for being rape victims, but because a lone woman walking home at night is seen as an easier target by psychos. At least sexually. Men might have more chance of having to be in a fight though. I mean if you know kickboxing or carry pepper spray then you'll have a better chance of escaping from a rapist, a mugger and maybe even a killer. I'm not saying that women who don't do some self defense course or whatever are doing something wrong, but I am saying it's a good proactive step to take, just in general life.

And, yes, in some scenarios the clothing a woman is wearing might hinder their chances of escape. Like if you're wearing a mini skirt and zip up enormous high heeled shoes, chances are it's harder to run from a rapist than it is when you're wearing sweatpants and joggers. Not all the time, but it can have an effect.

As for the Mens Rights Movement. I don't know. I have really only encountered them as an insult. So........

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Correct, and the only reason I'm talking about it is because someone else said that they think killing convicted rapists is ok.

And I think it is.

 

[Milton Platt]

I think if we teach people to be respectful, compassionate, and empathetic, that it wouldn't be necessary.

Not all people are capable of those qualities.......Try doing that with a sociopath or psychopath. And who will do that for the children growing up in an abusive environment?

 

[Thanda]

And I think it is.

And why do you think it is? Do you also think other types of assault should also carry the death sentence?

 

[psychoslice]

I think if you could carry out a death sentence yourself, then that fine, if you can't then that is fine also, but what is your choice ?.

 

[Thanda]

I think if you could carry out a death sentence yourself, then that fine, if you can't then that is fine also, but what is your choice ?.

You mean carry out extra-judicial killings? Vigilante justice?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And why do you think it is? Do you also think other types of assault should also carry the death sentence?

Because rape tends to have more severe effects on the victims than most other forms of assault do. Not only do they have to deal with the violence of the act, there's also the issue of their very bodies being intimately violated and invaded. It really screws them up psyco-sexually and many rape victims are messed up in that area for the rest of their lives. With children, it's even worse and they often end up being sex offenders themselves. Rapists, especially serial rapists, also tend to be sexual psychopaths and enjoy getting off on the power trip of it. There's really no point in keeping them around. Getting punched in the face or whatever isn't the same thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because rape tends to have more severe effects on the victims than most other forms of assault do. Not only do they have to deal with the violence of the act, there's also the issue of their very bodies being intimately violated and invaded. It really screws them up psyco-sexually and many rape victims are messed up in that area for the rest of their lives. With children, it's even worse and they often end up being sex offenders themselves. Rapists, especially serial rapists, also tend to be sexual psychopaths and enjoy getting off on the power trip of it. There's really no point in keeping them around. Getting punched in the face or whatever isn't the same thing.

You think beatings can't have the same effect.
I know a couple guys who never recovered mentally from being beaten to near death.
Yet there'd be a death penalty for rape, which is sometimes just a matter of inadequate
consent or regret by the aggrieved party?

And in the news today....
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/blogger-cancels-pro-rape-meet-up-over-safety-concerns/

 

[Thanda]

Because rape tends to have more severe effects on the victims than most other forms of assault do. Not only do they have to deal with the violence of the act, there's also the issue of their very bodies being intimately violated and invaded. It really screws them up psyco-sexually and many rape victims are messed up in that area for the rest of their lives. With children, it's even worse and they often end up being sex offenders themselves. Rapists, especially serial rapists, also tend to be sexual psychopaths and enjoy getting off on the power trip of it. There's really no point in keeping them around. Getting punched in the face or whatever isn't the same thing.

As Revoltingest just pointed out, most of those effects are felt by people who have been assaulted in other ways (I would know). There is nothing in-intimate about having your body violated by violence - especially when you are not sure whether you will live to see the end of the attack.

Also consider the fact that some rapes are not even particularly violent - e.g. if a drug is used to weaken or incapacitate or most date rape. In many of those cases the lady is not fearing for her life. So who will be most psychologically damaged - someone who feared for their life, or someone who feared for their sexual purity?

 

[Jumi]

Also consider the fact that some rapes are not even particularly violent - e.g. if a drug is used to weaken or incapacitate or most date rape. In many of those cases the lady is not fearing for her life. So who will be most psychologically damaged - someone who feared for their life, or someone who feared for their sexual purity?

I wonder how you would feel if you were incapacitated and someone sexually abused you. Many men have committed suicide after such an attack even if they knew they would probably live.

 

[Thanda]

I wonder how you would feel if you were incapacitated and someone sexually abused you. Many men have committed suicide after such an attack even if they knew they would probably live.

People commit suicide for all kinds of things - including their wife leaving them, someone at school or work bullying them, or because of financial difficulties. Committing suicide is not a measure of the severity of the issue at hand - it is an indication of the emotional and mental fragility of the person who experienced a hard time. Do you dispute this?

 

[Jumi]

Saying something is more traumatic because you fear for your life instead of being completely powerless due to being drugged is false in my opinion. Being more violent isn't a measure how punishable it should be. Bullying can be non-violent also and destroy someone.

 

[Revoltingest]

Saying something is more traumatic because you fear for your life instead of being completely powerless due to being drugged is false in my opinion. Being more violent isn't a measure how punishable it should be. Bullying can be non-violent also and destroy someone.

Sentencing severity makes sense if it's based upon both likely & actual consequences to the victim.

 

[Jumi]

Sentencing severity makes sense if it's based upon both likely & actual consequences to the victim.

I think I have a fairly good grasp what the actual and likely consequences are.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think I have a fairly good grasp what the actual and likely consequences are.

I'd never say otherwise.

 

[Thanda]

Saying something is more traumatic because you fear for your life instead of being completely powerless due to being drugged is false in my opinion. Being more violent isn't a measure how punishable it should be. Bullying can be non-violent also and destroy someone.

Remember a rape can also occur while a person is completely asleep (Therefore they don't even feel powerless). The point is rapes are not the same in nature and the fact that someone was penetrated sexually without their consent (which is what defines rape) doesn't automatically tell us how severe the psychological damage will be. For one, it depends on the person experiencing the trauma as to how much and for how long the person will be affected by it.

 

[Jumi]

How about 9 months pregnancy, raising up some criminal's kid or abortion and the societal shame because of it.

 

[Thanda]

How about 9 months pregnancy, raising up some criminal's kid or abortion and the societal shame because of it.

You are only proving my point. Rape in and of itself cannot lead us to assume what consequences will come from the event. They vary. And therefore, having the death penalty for rape, without qualifying what kind of rape under what circumstances is illogical.

 

[Jumi]

I don't see that proving your point. We'll have to agree to disagree I guess.