"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[Jumi]

But I think of assault cases I know....a child beaten so badly she'll never recover
physically or mentally....is this really a less severe crime than rape?

Same with rape, many never recover from them mentally. Some put up quite big emotional walls after being assaulted or raped so you think they are fine when they are quiet when it's hell inside.

Assaulting a child or even a man like that is not less severe and I propose the same penalty.

 

[Revoltingest]

Same with rape, many never recover from them mentally. Some put up quite big emotional walls after being assaulted or raped so you think they are fine when they are quiet when it's hell inside.

Assaulting a child or even a man like that is not less severe and I propose the same penalty.

Aye, it's really about the effect upon the victim, & this should drive how our justice system addresses it.

Btw, the child in question was never even able to feed herself because her brain damage was so severe.
The perp is my ex-computer service guy (serving life in prison for a few murders).

 

[Kilgore Trout]

In recent years, I've come to suspect that the frequency of rape worldwide is far too great for it to be something that is merely confined to a relative handful of "bad men". But this is only a suspicion. The studies I've seen are inconclusive.

Perhaps, the number of "bad" people is somewhat larger than people like to think.

 

[Revoltingest]

He was punching and kicking. I almost went unconscious. He simply wanted to beat me up. He had a gripe - don't ask me what it was about: I have no idea (he was large and strong and was maybe using certain substances to get himself that way - he might not therefore have been completely mentally stable).



That it is a more serious crime than stealing is not what I'm getting at. What I am getting at is that if the rationale for putting people in jail is to keep them from being a menace to society (as you've proposed) then it should not matter what crime we are dealing with. So long as the person has not rehabilitated they should not be allowed out of prison. Is this not the logical conclusion?

Secondly I cannot comment about what it feels like to be raped. But I can comment on what it feels like to be assaulted as a man in front of a lot of people. There is huge psychological damage that gets done: dreams, self-esteem issues, anger issues shame etc. I'm thankful that I managed to deal with most of that and move on. Many women who have been raped have also managed to deal with similar feelings and move on.

If you had asked me back then (just after my assault) what punishment the guy deserved who assaulted me I probably would have given the kind of answers you are giving about rape. But looking back, I realise that would have been an over reaction.

It seemed creepy to frubal this post, but it is indeed compelling.

 

[Jumi]

Secondly I cannot comment about what it feels like to be raped. But I can comment on what it feels like to be assaulted as a man in front of a lot of people. There is huge psychological damage that gets done: dreams, self-esteem issues, anger issues shame etc. I'm thankful that I managed to deal with most of that and move on. Many women who have been raped have also managed to deal with similar feelings and move on.

What preventive measures to assault do you recommend from your experience?

 

[ThirtyThree]

1) Make rape causing perminent physical damage a capital offence.

2) Make rape causing verified severe psychological damage a capital offence.

3) Investigate all rape cases completely. Often females will attempt revenge on an ex boyfriend by falsifying a rape claim, even intentionally injuring themselves out faking physiological damage.

4) Rape involving pregnancy should involve stiff fines involving all costs involved, physiological and physical.

5) Rape of any other sort should be a minor offence. This should weed out the fraudulent reports from the genuine ones.

6) Free defense training for all females in high school, grade 8 through 12, and public free courses in women's education regarding what women can do to prevent rape and basic self defense classes.

 

[Revoltingest]

6) Free defense training for all females in high school, grade 8 through 12, and public free courses in women's education regarding what women can do to prevent rape and basic self defense classes.

Only females are raped or otherwise assaulted?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Only females are raped or otherwise assaulted?

No, they are just the majority.

 

[Jumi]

No, they are just the majority.

Getting assaulted is more likely if you're a young adult male. Though it might be different depending were you live.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, they are just the majority.

So their safety doesn't matter enuf to warrant assistance in avoiding sexual assault?
Oh, dear.

 

[ThirtyThree]

So their safety doesn't matter enuf to warrant assistance in avoiding sexual assault?
Oh, dear.

Then educate them too, separately.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then educate them too, separately.

But equal, I hope.

 

[ThirtyThree]

But equal, I hope.

Always!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Whether it's a good thing or not is irrelevant. What's important is that being anti-woman is quite different from being anti-feminist. Just as I'm sure being anti-MRA and being anti-men are is also two different things.

Except they aren't the same. Being "anti-feminist" is rather broad, and it does include the good. Without feminism, women would not be were we are today. Sure, there are some real lunatic man-hating feminist, but they do not define the whole, and for the most part they are dying out. However, any honest google search will easily produce a ton of good and positive examples of feminism. With MRA, it's a totally different story. Not only has being a man ever been a problem, the "real" concerns that some of them voice are the results of the patriarchal system they support (such as custody generally being awarded to the mother), and feminist typically have the same concerns because it is not equality. And instead of "white guilt," they do express systems of "man guilt" when concepts like patriarchy are brought up, even though patriarchy is a historic fact, much how Christianity is a fact in Europe during the Medieval Era. And instead of working with feminists, they viciously attack them.

 

[Mycroft]

It is realistic to suggest that the rapists be arrested and locked up, though.

Of course. But they weren't able to capture them all at once. And so the advice of 'be careful' therefore becomes appropriate.

 

[Thanda]

Except they aren't the same. Being "anti-feminist" is rather broad, and it does include the good. Without feminism, women would not be were we are today. Sure, there are some real lunatic man-hating feminist, but they do not define the whole, and for the most part they are dying out. However, any honest google search will easily produce a ton of good and positive examples of feminism. With MRA, it's a totally different story. Not only has being a man ever been a problem, the "real" concerns that some of them voice are the results of the patriarchal system they support (such as custody generally being awarded to the mother), and feminist typically have the same concerns because it is not equality. And instead of "white guilt," they do express systems of "man guilt" when concepts like patriarchy are brought up, even though patriarchy is a historic fact, much how Christianity is a fact in Europe during the Medieval Era. And instead of working with feminists, they viciously attack them.

Okay, I have actually been to quite a few men rights sites. And I haven't just peaked at a few headlines there. I have read many articles within each of them. So when you say "the patriarchal system they support" I can honestly say you don't know what you're talking about. They do not support patriarchy (at least not officially, there will always be fringe elements) they believe they support equality in all aspects. In particular they believe they support those aspects of equality that feminism overlooks.

Feminism only supports certain aspects of equality, and that is a fact. Someone on one of the threads here recently said something to the effect that feminism was about making sure woman had equal rights, privileges and opportunities as men. Now that may sound like quite a good summary of feminism. But conspicuous in its absence was the word "responsibilities" as well as the word "expectations". Of course it may appear to be a minor oversight but it is not - it tells where the movement's priorities are.

So the question is, why should men join a group who has clearly decided that the needs of their (men's) gender is low on their list of priorities?

 

[Thanda]

What preventive measures to assault do you recommend from your experience?

That's a good question. I asked myself that after the event. I wondered why with so many people at school he would choose to target me. I played around with a few ideas but none of them seemed to quite make sense. I realized that situation was just an aberration.

So what would I recommend? Be a martial arts expert!

Note: This advice is what I can give for my particular instance of assault. I cannot advise on all types of assault just by using this one experience as not all assaults happen in the same circumstances.

 

[Akivah]

This event has made it to Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/roosh-v-43-countries/
It is rated as MOSTLY FALSE

I predict that the number of protesters will far exceed the number of attendees.

 

[Jumi]

That's a good question. I asked myself that after the event. I wondered why with so many people at school he would choose to target me. I played around with a few ideas but none of them seemed to quite make sense. I realized that situation was just an aberration.

Indeed. Though they might find some excuse or other why they attack, I doubt there was anything sensible why you were targeted, clothing, appearance or anything that you should change. Same goes for rapes.

So what would I recommend? Be a martial arts expert!

Martial arts can also give incorrect techniques or lead to unrealistic expectations for such situations. Buyer beware. Their advice can lead you to a worse situation, like some advice against rape. It's almost always better to run especially against someone on 'roid rage.

 

[Jumi]

I predict that the number of protesters will far exceed the number of attendees.

It seems the meetings are held more in secret than as demonstration, with a pet shop password and security measures to avoid being followed and filming protestors who might show up.