"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[lewisnotmiller]

[Source]

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

[Source]


Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

Sorry mate. I can't take assclowns like this seriously no matter the importance of the topic. There are such things as private prisons in the States, right?? Let's put him in a cell with a coupla good ol' boys and see if he changes his opinion about rape on private property.

Idiot.

Him, not you...lol

 

[Aquitaine]

[Source]

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

[Source]


Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

What the. . . . . .

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

I'd like to think the "men's rights" is much like just about any other group and the media blasts us with the most ratings-capable of stuff, but the few times I've looked I didn't find any sources that didn't have at least one explicitly and not-implied anti-woman articles. Even links that have been offered here as not anti-woman I found an anti-woman article, even on one I was about to give up on and dismiss it as a commercial by the way it was asking for money.
But I think the main reason may be because the logical and rational men realize that yeah, there are some problems, and some serious ones like custody, but they know they are not a repressed group, because, after all, men set the bar for women to be equal to.

If "men's rights" was really about gender equality, and your average MRA genuinely condemned misogyny they'd speak out against rape of women as a serious issue. Instead, the mainstream MRA position seems to be that it's wildly exaggerated and made up half the time or more. Contrast this with third wave feminists, who generally acknowledge rape of men as a major issue.

Also, if "men's rights was" really about gender equality, MRAs would promote a man's right to go against traditional gender norms, to wear a dress or be sexually penetrated. Instead they all seem to defend traditional notions of masculinity. Contrast this with feminists, who have always promoted the right to defy gender norms and often have openly criticized society's expectations of femininity.

 

[psychoslice]

I don't like men's rights, or women's rights. it only separates us from each other, we are both the same, you have men who are jerks, and you have women who are jerks, may the two never come together.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't like men's rights, or women's rights. it only separates us from each other, we are both the same, you have men who are jerks, and you have women who are jerks, may the two never come together.

Aye, the hostile elements in each side seem bent upon seeing only bad examples in the other.

 

[Thanda]

In fairness this guy should also campaign to give those women the legal right to use lethal force in self defense against attempted rapists and similar rights to anyone concerned about the rape to give justice. I wonder how long he would last?

But isn't it already legal?

 

[Thanda]

Yeah like keeping an arm's length away from guys and firmly saying no. /sarcasm

What's your point exactly? That there are no good tips women could use to reduce their risk?

 

[Jumi]

Let's set up this Daryush Valizadeh on a blind date with.....
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

Match made in heaven?

 

[Jumi]

But isn't it already legal?

Not in my country at least.

 

[Thanda]

Not in my country at least.

So you're telling me that in your country if a victim is faced with killing a would be rapist and allowing herself to be raped she has to allow herself to be raped?

 

[Jumi]

What's your point exactly? That there are no good tips women could use to reduce their risk?

There are, but there are plenty of bad ones. The best advice is to stay home at all times, it's also useful for men to avoid getting robbed or assaulted anywhere. Pepper spray is a good one, so is having a gun.

 

[Jumi]

So you're telling me that in your country if a victim is faced with killing a would be rapist and allowing herself to be raped she has to allow herself to be raped?

Indeed. Often self-defense leads to higher convictions than rape or assault. It's ridiculous.

 

[Thanda]

There are, but there are plenty of bad ones. The best advice is to stay home at all times, it's also useful for men to avoid getting robbed or assaulted anywhere. Pepper spray is a good one, so is having a gun.

Rape often happens in the home . But I get your point. I'm just glad we agree that rape prevention measures != victim blaming.

 

[Thanda]

Indeed. Often self-defense leads to higher convictions than rape or assault. It's ridiculous.

What country is this?

 

[Jumi]

What country is this?

Finland. The origin of that is judges that took the idea of mercy from religion and apply it where I don't think it should be applied to in my opinion.

 

[Jumi]

Rape often happens in the home . But I get your point. I'm just glad we agree that rape prevention measures != victim blaming.

You'll notice which measures are not useful and victim blaming by talking to rapists and their victims.

 

[Thanda]

You know that pretty much no one takes that book seriously, right? Valerie Solanas was very mentally ill and she tried to murder Andy Warhol.

To be honest, a lot of the most vitriolic 2nd wave radfems had a history of abuse from childhood on, including being raped, so their political activism should be viewed in light of that. Many of them were abuse victims who never healed and projected their negative experiences onto men and heterosexuality as a whole.

It is worrying when we start using the old "troubled childhood" line. Do you think we should also apply it to the guy in question in the OP?

 

[9Westy9]

They had courts where the accused got a trial, you know.

and in these courts, the judge always makes the correct decision 100% of the time? I highly doubt that to be the case. So you will inevitably be killing some people wrongly. That's not justice.

 

[Thanda]

It's my impression that feminists are far and away attacked more in the public square than MRAs. Perhaps that is only because their movement is bigger -- or perhaps there are other reasons as well. But I do note the difference.

MRAs are generally ignored. When they are not ignored they are usually attacked.

 

[Thanda]

How about making all assault a capital offense?

I have an idea!
Let's set up this Daryush Valizadeh on a blind date with.....
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

Precisely what I was thinking about. It seems very easy to jump from rape to capital punishment. But I have never actually heard it explained why sexual assault should be considered a capital crime while all other assaults are not. Any ideas?