SkepticThinker
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"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday
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I say a doctor who rapes a patient poses a greater danger to the public, & harsher sentences are appropriate.
- Greater number of possible victims
- Greater public outrage & fear
Of course, there are other possible factors with each....this is just general imposition of greater punishment.
I wouldn't say such a thing.Yes, I think it does.
I don't want to attack your sister or anything, I'm sure she's lovely.
But she's generally pretty reasonable.....unusual in my family.
A minor technical difference in terminology......I'll call it detente.
It sounds simpler in your country....in a bad way.
It's not just feminists who wanted such change....it was likely all rational people.
Remember that per the FBI, men didn't even get raped.
SkepticThinker
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Unfortunately, that's unusual in my family too.
Then I think a high five is in order.
Jumi
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They're a bunch of guys who think getting laid is man's right and getting laid consumes a big part of their lives. They call themselves a tribe, but I can't think of any tribe that had only male members. They think they are hunting for women and think they should get to do what they want after getting the woman in a room with them.
They seem to think you can be an alpha male by faking it and have made it into an ideology.
Did this thread actually delve into a debate on rape and that it "might not be all that bad"?
Or that feminists like myself just want to punish men just because? And use false rape accusations to attack men and ruin their lives?
But of course...the "egalitarians" are showing who they really are in threads like this again.
You aren't fooling anybody.
Or that feminists like myself just want to punish men just because? And use false rape accusations to attack men and ruin their lives?
But of course...the "egalitarians" are showing who they really are in threads like this again.
You aren't fooling anybody.
I didn't see the text you quoted.
The issue has been more about different punishments for different scenarios.
No, it wasn't about you or an evil feminist conspiracy.
Really....we're not out to get you.
I'm not out to get anyone......not 9/11 truthers, the Moon landing hoaxers,
perpetual motion machine fanciers, & even extended warranty salesmen.
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If there are men promoting this, they should be arrested. Free speech shouldn't become synonymous with gathering together to promote crimes. Rape is a crime, and it always will be...and it always should be.
That said, there is a problem in the US anyway, where some (not a small number, if you read stats, articles, etc) women falsely accuse men, and those women should be prosecuted, as well. Falsely accusing people of crimes, going under oath in a court of law and committing perjury etc...are also crimes, and should not go with just a slap on the wrist.There is an imbalance of equality in these cases, often times. From reading all the stories out there of women who come forward after ruining a guy's life, admitting that they lied and falsely accused the guys of raping them...I no longer believe women right off the bat, just because I'm a woman. When I read/hear all the facts of a case, then I figure things out. But, even in cases of female teachers seducing their underage male students, many women just get probation, and no jail time, whereas male teachers who sleep with their underage female students, get jail time. This is a double standard I'd like to see stop.
As for the poll, most rapists are not capable of rehabilitation, which is why they are so often...repeat offenders. Rape isn't typically committed by someone who is a healthy minded individual.
That said, there is a problem in the US anyway, where some (not a small number, if you read stats, articles, etc) women falsely accuse men, and those women should be prosecuted, as well. Falsely accusing people of crimes, going under oath in a court of law and committing perjury etc...are also crimes, and should not go with just a slap on the wrist.There is an imbalance of equality in these cases, often times. From reading all the stories out there of women who come forward after ruining a guy's life, admitting that they lied and falsely accused the guys of raping them...I no longer believe women right off the bat, just because I'm a woman. When I read/hear all the facts of a case, then I figure things out. But, even in cases of female teachers seducing their underage male students, many women just get probation, and no jail time, whereas male teachers who sleep with their underage female students, get jail time. This is a double standard I'd like to see stop.
As for the poll, most rapists are not capable of rehabilitation, which is why they are so often...repeat offenders. Rape isn't typically committed by someone who is a healthy minded individual.
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If I understood it correctly, it's worse than you say.
What they were doing was legal because they were advocating making rape legal.
I'm concerned with one problematic aspect of prosecuting people who falsely accuse others of rape.
It's very useful when they have a change of heart, & admit the accused's innocence.
Yes, they deserve severe punishment, but if they face harsh sanction, they might be
reluctant to do so. I don't have a solution to this dilemma.
I suspect that some offenders, young ones who are guilty because of consent issues, might be candidates for rehabilitation.
Given that brains don't mature until after the early twenties, age should be a factor.
Yes, it's worse. They should not be permitted to ask for a crime to become legal.
No...they shouldn't falsely accuse someone to begin with...and if people who do such things (relating to any crimes, not just rape) and if they are prosecuted, it will send a very loud message to think twice before falsely accusing someone of a crime. Even if the person comes forward, the person's life whom they have ruined, will never ever be restored and be the same ever again. It also creates a fear for women who have been raped, to fear coming forward...because they won't be taken seriously. (that's actually happened, as well)
It's a terrible thing all around to falsely accuse someone of a crime.
I'm sorry, could you clarify? I'm not sure who you are speaking of.
It'll never happen,
To advocate making some illegal things legal will always be a treasured right.
I'm working hard to make MJ legal here.
You wouldn't want to see me prosecuted, & rotting in prison, would you?
Hmm....don't answer that.
It's a tough call how to balance punishment vs encouraging coming clean.
I see your point, & it makes sense. But I don't know.
Hypothetical example:
College student "A" is 18 years old, & has sex with intoxicated student "B".
There was no violence or injury.
B later claims rape due to lack of consent.
A is convicted.
In this case, rehabilitation is possible because......
- A is young, with a not yet mature brain.
- A might not be a sociopath, but possibly unaware of the legal circumstances of the sex.
Ah! I see your point there, @Revoltingest - very true. I was speaking more along the lines of the teacher/student scenarios we read about, but you are right. Those dating scenarios are so hard to decipher because you have two people who in many cases are 'in love,' but the age of consent becomes the factor to bring it into the criminal realm.
Regarding your first point...no, I don't want to see you rotting in prison. I think we both know though that men rallying around trying to get support to make rape legal...is not what you're talking about.
Regarding your first point...no, I don't want to see you rotting in prison. I think we both know though that men rallying around trying to get support to make rape legal...is not what you're talking about.
If we give government the power to prosecute us for advocacy for legalizing something,Regarding your first point...no, I don't want to see you rotting in prison. I think we both know though that men rallying around trying to get support to make rape legal...is not what you're talking about.
then it could be used against us in many areas. What about legalizing abortion?
I can see an extremist fundie administration wanting to silence anyone advocating that.
Why do drunk chicks always get to file rape charges, but being drunk is not a defense against the rape charge?
Tom
This is a bit vague...but think I know where you're going with it. The thing is though...if a woman told you no, whether you were drunk...she were drunk...you both were drunk...wouldn't you in good conscience...not proceed? Someone being drunk...doesn't mean that it gives someone the right to take advantage of that fact. It's just called being a good person. lol
That's true! I'm pro-life, but was that way as an atheist, too. I'm not for banning abortion or making it illegal, though. But, that's a whole different topic!