"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[Revoltingest]

This is a bit vague...but think I know where you're going with it. The thing is though...if a woman told you no, whether you were drunk...she were drunk...you both were drunk...wouldn't you in good conscience...not proceed? Someone being drunk...doesn't mean that it gives someone the right to take advantage of that fact. It's just called being a good person. lol

If drunk, then even saying "yes" is impaired consent,
& if really drunk, not even consent at all.

 

[columbus]

I've often wondered if 2 drunk students (male & female) have sex,
would the female ever be charged because the male was impaired?

You've really wondered about this?
C'mon.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

You've really wondered about this?
C'mon.
Tom

I wonder a lot.
(It's more fun than working.)
I've never heard of such a case, but it's bound to happen in our evolving legal environment.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder a lot.
(It's more fun than working.)
I've never heard of such a case, but it's bound to happen in our evolving legal environment.

I do know a guy who did not, at all, ever want to have sex with a particular woman, but she really wanted him. So she waited until the opportunity (alcohol and drunkenness) presented itself. While I wouldn't say this rape damaged him any further, it certainly did not help with his pessimistic worldview and his feeling he needs to be ready to defend and protect himself at a moments notice. I actually talked him out of carrying around a pool-ball in a sock to defend himself. He didn't press charges, and he's kind of an extraneous variable given he already had paranoid tendencies, but it's undeniable that being raped was "another brick in the wall."
But two drunk people having "consensual" sex, it'd be better to send them to counseling to help them through with the problem of drinking to excess, using any drug to excess, and the problems that can arise when you are under the influence and not thinking clearly. It's not necessarily rape, but definitely a time when you should ponder your social drug usage.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do know a guy who did not, at all, ever want to have sex with a particular woman, but she really wanted him. So she waited until the opportunity (alcohol and drunkenness) presented itself. While I wouldn't say this rape damaged him any further, it certainly did not help with his pessimistic worldview and his feeling he needs to be ready to defend and protect himself at a moments notice. I actually talked him out of carrying around a pool-ball in a sock to defend himself. He didn't press charges, and he's kind of an extraneous variable given he already had paranoid tendencies, but it's undeniable that being raped was "another brick in the wall."
But two drunk people having "consensual" sex, it'd be better to send them to counseling to help them through with the problem of drinking to excess, using any drug to excess, and the problems that can arise when you are under the influence and not thinking clearly. It's not necessarily rape, but definitely a time when you should ponder your social drug usage.

Under the law, 2 drunks having sex would both be at risk of being prosecuted for rape.
I agree that solutions other than prosecution are sometimes appropriate.

 

[Thanda]

I've often wondered if 2 drunk students (male & female) have sex,
would the female ever be charged because the male was impaired?

Just as interesting would be whether a drunk man who has sex with a non-drunk woman could accuse her of rape.

Another interesting thing would be the definition of drunk. Different people different tolerance levels for alcohol. If each drink six bears and one gets drunk but the other does not, how would you actually prove that one of them wasn't drunk.

Lastly, if a person says yes while drunk, it is (if I understood you correctly) considered impaired consent. What legal implications does impaired consent have if any?

 

[Revoltingest]

Just as interesting would be whether a drunk man who has sex with a non-drunk woman could accuse her of rape.

Another interesting thing would be the definition of drunk. Different people different tolerance levels for alcohol. If each drink six bears and one gets drunk but the other does not, how would you actually prove that one of them wasn't drunk.

Lastly, if a person says yes while drunk, it is (if I understood you correctly) considered impaired consent. What legal implications does impaired consent have if any?

Unfortunately, such things aren't likely to be addressed legislatively until much injustice happens in the various court systems.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I find this disturbing. I'm glad to see people are pushing back against them. I don't agree with doing threats against them. Just let the proper authorities deal in regards to that. Just make sure people are alerted and to be careful if you're in these areas.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Not all people are capable of those qualities.......Try doing that with a sociopath or psychopath. And who will do that for the children growing up in an abusive environment?

Teaching those types of people not to rape wouldn't be any more successful.

 

[LuisDantas]

So, did the event happen?

 

[Revoltingest]

So, did the event happen?

It was cancelled.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/tag/legalize-rape/
And I've seen nothing in the news about an event being held.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

[Source]

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

[Source]


Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

Why have these events not been banned?

 

[9Westy9]

Why have these events not been banned?

because we have freedom of speech.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

because we have freedom of speech.

I just found out that the events were cancelled and probably not serious in nature any way. That guy seems like a troll, visiting his website was just stupid.

Having said that, what country do you mean by "we"? And does freedom of speech entitle hate speech too? I'm pretty sure whatever country you're from would not allow you to walk down the streets and racially abuse people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

because we have freedom of speech.

You can't make threats against someone, you can't shout "fire" in a theatre, so why should it be legal to advocate rape and say it should be legal? It is calling to legalize violence, it is wanting the legalization of something that hurts people physically and emotionally, and there is no way to put it in context, label it satire, or the other factors that come into play with things that some consider "offensive," like South Park or Charlie Hebdo.

 

[9Westy9]

I just found out that the events were cancelled and probably not serious in nature any way. That guy seems like a troll, visiting his website was just stupid.

He does appear to hold some extreme views.

Having said that, what country do you mean by "we"? And does freedom of speech entitle hate speech too? I'm pretty sure whatever country you're from would not allow you to walk down the streets and racially abuse people.

Personally I'm from the UK. Before I respond Id need you to define what you mean by "hate speech".

 

[Kori]

I say the best way to deal with it is with the ax. Those that are pro-rape are not human. They belong in two categories: The morgue and ISIL.

 

[Revoltingest]

Remember that we don't want our government to have so much power
that they can prosecute us for advocating legalizing something.
Many things now legal were once illegal, eg, abortion.

 

[9Westy9]

You can't make threats against someone,

Because freedom of speech doesn't trump people's right not to be attacked.

you can't shout "fire" in a theatre,

That depends how much you want a fine.

so why should it be legal to advocate rape and say it should be legal?

Why should it be legal to advocate for marijuana and say it should be legal? Just because advocating for rape is a more ridiculously absurd proposition?

It is calling to legalize violence, it is wanting the legalization of something that hurts people physically and emotionally, and there is no way to put it in context, label it satire, or the other factors that come into play with things that some consider "offensive," like South Park or Charlie Hebdo.

and because it's such an absurd idea it's really easy to argue against. That doesn't mean there's a reason to ban people from saying stupid or offensive idea

 

[Kori]

I have an idea on the best way to counter them
We should be Legion
We should not forgive
We should not forget
They need to expect us.