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Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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Actually no. This was a very early Egyptian chariot wheel. But you might notice a slight difference from the one that I posted earlier. Perhaps they "plump up" in water:D
Well it's still very easy to see it is nothing like the bronze ships valve wheel in the picture.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

View attachment 97412

Actually no. This was a very early Egyptian chariot wheel. But you might notice a slight difference from the one that I posted earlier. Perhaps they "plump up" in water:D
Well it's still very easy to see it is nothing like the bronze ships valve wheel in the picture.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Jesus' prophecies about the kingdom of God appearing imminently, within the lifetimes of his disciples was failed prophecy! As time went on past his death, those who wrote the late gospels start pushing his return farther and farther out, until we get to the point where they have Jesus saying that his kingdom is not of this earth. This is how Christian writers adapted to Jesus' failed prophecies: pushing his return farther and farther out, pas the death of the disciples, past the Jewish revolt against Rome, past the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem, until Jesus' kingdom was no longer a physical kingdom.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Jesus' prophecies about the kingdom of God appearing imminently, within the lifetimes of his disciples was failed prophecy! As time went on past his death, those who wrote the late gospels start pushing his return farther and farther out, until we get to the point where they have Jesus saying that his kingdom is not of this earth. This is how Christian writers adapted to Jesus' failed prophecies: pushing his return farther and farther out, pas the death of the disciples, past the Jewish revolt against Rome, past the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem, until Jesus' kingdom was no longer a physical kingdom.
The Gospels were written around or after the deaths of the disciples. Assuming there were disciples.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
That has been the prediction for about 2,000 years. The End was supposed to start while at least some of the original disciples were still alive. I have not seen any 2,000 year old Jews lately.

That sounds like a misinterpretation of what Jesus said.
Have you ever thought how odd it is for gospels that are claimed to have been written after the generation of Jesus day has died, to be saying that Jesus will return before they all die. Maybe the gospels were written by people who wanted to discredit Jesus.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
That sounds like a misinterpretation of what Jesus said.
Have you ever thought how odd it is for gospels that are claimed to have been written after the generation of Jesus day has died, to be saying that Jesus will return before they all die. Maybe the gospels were written by people who wanted to discredit Jesus.
or by earnest people trying to reconcile what they were presented with
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
or by earnest people trying to reconcile what they were presented with

It is easy enough to show that Jesus did not mean that He would return in the lifetime of the people He was talking to,,,,,,,,,,, or at least that it does not have to mean that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't predict it. The bible does.
God inspired the words of the bible.
I probably does not. A lot of Christians do not understand their own Bible. They think that it is okay to abuse the Bible by quote mining it. Quote mining is taking verses out of context to try try change the meaning. That is an abuse of the Bible.

If you can quote mine the Bible to support your claims I can quote mine the Bible to refute it. Here you go:

"There is no God." The Bible.

I did just quote the Bible. does that refute it? Or was that a dishonest technique?
 
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