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[JM2C]

Misplaced devotion meaning your devotion may not have been on Christ while in the Church.
Instead, they have a devotion to Mary. Statues, if you like, and so forth. Bypassing who the devotion should be in christian terms dedicated to.

It sounds like if your devotion was on Christ in the Church youd see no division between one christian and another. Since I see you do, Catholicm was a mis fit for you because not everyone can follow Christ in congregational rather than individual worship.

Please clarify the ”your/you” and the “they”, are you talking about the third person? Or the “your/you” is me, and the “they”, in the third person, are the catholics?

 

[JM2C]

Preference in worship not divison.
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My personal opinion: By going away from the Church, you have divided yourself from like believers.

Separated is the right word.

Its one thing to have preference in worship. Thats not division, just preference. Its another to say your ex faith is against scripture. That is division between other christians in the church, like yourself, who have a relationship with Christ and Christ only.

Division inside the rcc is normal because everyone has “preferences in worship”, like more saints/statues the better and others would prefer less saints/statues.

If you go to a rcc in South America, coming from Asia, you might not accept or kneel and worship their saints/statues because you’re not familiar with them, but when you see Mary’s statues inside the church, it kind of neutralize your perception toward these unfamiliar saints/statues and the next thing you know is you start kneeling if front of them, even though they were unfamiliar to your preferences in worship.

 

[JM2C]

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I guess what Im trying to say is, how could you have been Catholic if you were not devoted to Christ and Christ only?

I was born a catholic, but my devotion was not only on the Lord Jesus Christ alone but to Mary and the saints. We have a devotion to a specific saint on every Monday and different saint on every Tuesday and for the rest of the week with different saints. Sometimes we have multiple saints in one day besides praying the rosary every day. That’s how brainwashed I was. IOW, I was their/idols slave for the better part of my life.

MT 11:28 “ Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

MT 11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

MT 11:30 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ha. Read about my faith (not faiths) below in my signature. I dont care for eclectic worship.

Here you have multiple choices divided into three cat “Catholic by vows; Buddhist by faith; and a Pagan by practice” Compare that to “undivided devotion to the Lord. 1Co 7:35”

Cactholic by vow: I was a Catholic, am a Catholic, always will be a Catholic. I took the sacraments of the Church three years ago. Catholicism believes once saved (baptised in Christ), always saved. read more below...

Buddhist by faith: The core of Buddhism is simple. It is based on thebLaw of causenand effect. What we do has consequences and benefits. To be attached to these things causes suffering. For example, if you are attached to your money, if will bring you suffering (christian translation--in the world not of the world) Read more below...

Pagan by practice. I am not polytheistic. There is a practice that today falls under paganism, ancestral venerarion. Most faiths, christianity included, has this. It is a "practice" that reveres ones departed family (and/or people they love, say Jesus). It is a folk practice and not a religion. Read below...

I understand your belief.

The Buddha said "monks, I teach you the parable of the raft."he says, "a man goes on his journey across water. There is no one to help him. He creates a raft out of sticks, crosses the water, and carries the raft with him on land. What he is doing is attaching to things when he is already saved. 'You, monks, by understanding the parable of the raft, one must not cling to right states of mind, and, all more wrong states of mind. "Majjhima Nikaya sutra

This means you should not cling to your right or wrong views. I say you should not tell others what views of beliefs they should cling to.

So that descibes part of my faith in a nutshell. If you wany to know about by relationshipnwith Catholicism, paganism, and buddhism, read below.


Sharing the Beauty of my Faiths (former and present) | ReligiousForums.com

Here you have multiple choices divided into three cat “Catholic by vows; Buddhist by faith; and a Pagan by practice” Compare that to “undivided devotion to the Lord. 1Co 7:35”

Here you have multiple choices divided into three cat “Catholic by vows; Buddhist by faith; and a Pagan by practice” Compare that to “undivided devotion to the Lord. 1Co 7:35”

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sorry, I havr a tendency to mix pronouns. My point is, it sounds like you personally had a mix devotio while in the Church. How could you have been Catholic if you did not have a relationship with Christ? How did coming from Catholicism make you more of a Christian you should have been while there. I do see how your leaving the Church makes you a christian when being part of the church you were already christian. No conversion, just change in how you devote yourself to Christ.

You personally not in general

Please clarify the ”your/you” and the “they”, are you talking about the third person? Or the “your/you” is me, and the “they”, in the third person, are the catholics?

 

[Wharton]

Idol problem? Not anymore. Cannot or could not read the bible is not an excuse for people like you to make and worship idols. Isaiah was right when he said, “Yet he cannot bring himself to ask, “Is this thing, this idol that I’m holding in my hand, a lie?” Now that’s a problem or denial perhaps.

Isa 44:20 The poor, deluded fool feeds on ashes. He is trusting something that can give him no help at all. Yet he cannot bring himself to ask, “Is this thing, this idol that I’m holding in my hand, a lie?”

You still don't get it. There is no requirement in the Catholic Church that a member must have a statue,etc so your point is moot. You've been taught and you believe a falsehood.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Oh gosh. I never had that experience in America. Before I was confirmed, the priest told me I should wait before becoming Catholic. I should have. But I never been nuetralized or hypnotised? To follow what other believers do. I believe the deceased are alive. I am more familar with protestant point of view, onIy never prayed to Mary as if she is God. Catholicism doesnt teach that. I cant speak for other people though.

Separated is the right word.
Division inside the rcc is normal because everyone has “preferences in worship”, like more saints/statues the better and others would prefer less saints/statues.

If you go to a rcc in South America, coming from Asia, you might not accept or kneel and worship their saints/statues because you’re not familiar with them, but when you see Mary’s statues inside the church, it kind of neutralize your perception toward these unfamiliar saints/statues and the next thing you know is you start kneeling if front of them, even though they were unfamiliar to your preferences in worship.

 

[Wharton]

The true Christians were the true followers of Christ during the apostle’s writings and those who followed or adhere to these writings today.

You think that Christianity started only after the bible was canonized but what you did not understand is it was the beginning of pluralism by Constantine, i.e., mixing Christianity with paganism. That’s probably the reason why people are so confused today about the true identity of Christianity. If one says s/he is a Christian but bow down or kneel or worship other things/idols other than God, then one might think all Christians are like this. A true Christian should only follow Christ.

You're a couple of hundred years too late. Jesus introduced paganism into Christianity, not Constantine.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Oooh. I didnt mean any offense, but that is what I mean by misplaced devotion. Mass is about Christ not Mary. I dont see why youd worship Mary as a Catholic. However, if Id never been Catholic, it would "look like" worship to me too.

I was born a catholic, but my devotion was not only on the Lord Jesus Christ alone but to Mary and the saints. We have a devotion to a specific saint on every Monday and different saint on every Tuesday and for the rest of the week with different saints. Sometimes we have multiple saints in one day besides praying the rosary every day. That’s how brainwashed I was. IOW, I was their/idols slave for the better part of my life.

MT 11:28 “ Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

MT 11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

MT 11:30 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 

[Wharton]

JN 2:5 His mother *said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”

The Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples on how to pray.

MT 6:9 “ Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name”

He did not say, “holy Mary mother of God” X50 nor “hail Mary full of grace” X50.

Not a clue.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You're a couple of hundred years too late. Jesus introduced paganism into Christianity, not Constantine.

His apostles did. Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish teachings. He told followers to worship His Father not Himself as God. Somewhere down the line He was deified. Jesusnwas strongly and bruttling against paganism.

 

[Wharton]

Unbiblical! The bible cannot support your theory.

From idols to non-idols is what called advancement in Christianity. I can’t blame you if you can’t separate the truth from a lie.

2Th 2:11 So God will send great deception upon them, and they will believe all these lies.
2Th 2:12 Then they will be condemned for not believing the truth and for enjoying the evil they do.

As I stated before, that' why there's 30,000+ Protestant denominations. You all have a better idea and appeal to only a very small portion of the flock. Never to be universal.

 

[Wharton]

His apostles did. Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish teachings. He told followers to worship His Father not Himself as God. Somewhere down the line He was deified. Jesusnwas strongly and bruttling against paganism.

Jewish teachings don't equate the wine in the cup as blood to drink, whether you think it's literal or symbolic. That's pagan to the core.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He is just using a plain cup and bread to pass it around and what he says means that those who sit at his table are one family in Him (aka His Father). Same as a family today siting arouns the table and the head person cuts the meat and passes the food around. Its not mystical or philosophical. Hes just sharing a meal.

Its not pagan in origin. Pagans, jewish,buddhist,bahai, and so for do the same thing with their families (not limited to)

Whay do you mean by pagan and how does it apply to what i described above?

Jewish teachings don't equate the wine in the cup as blood to drink, whether you think it's literal or symbolic. That's pagan to the core.

 

[JM2C]

You still don't get it. There is no requirement in the Catholic Church that a member must have a statue,etc so your point is moot. You've been taught and you believe a falsehood.

But if you were brought up with this knowledge already planted in your brain, then there is no need to remind you that it is a requirement.

Again for the second time, sometimes people asked, was it really from the genes, from our parents, we inherited some of the traits of who we are, or was it from the environment? Environments required no traits from the genes to follow its way of life, but it does influence the behavior to pass it on to the next generations. So, if you’re saying “there is no requirement by the rcc for anyone to have a statue….”, but if it’s in your thinking already, that you inherited from your parents, then, it must be a requirement, required by this inherited environment, to have those idols.

 

[JM2C]

You're a couple of hundred years too late. Jesus introduced paganism into Christianity, not Constantine.

I asked you before, but you have not proven anything yet

 

[JM2C]

Not a clue.

or denial

As I stated before, that' why there's 30,000+ Protestant denominations.

Myth. Read the truth here The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia(2001, 2nd edition)

You all have a better idea and appeal to only a very small portion of the flock. Never to be universal.

MT 7:13 “ Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

MT 7:14 “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[JM2C]

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Oooh. I didnt mean any offense, but that is what I mean by misplaced devotion. Mass is about Christ not Mary. I dont see why youd worship Mary as a Catholic. However, if Id never been Catholic, it would "look like" worship to me too.

how do you define worship? No opinion please. You can do a research on the internet and make an unbiased summary on how you understand it.

 

[Wharton]

He is just using a plain cup and bread to pass it around and what he says means that those who sit at his table are one family in Him (aka His Father). Same as a family today siting arouns the table and the head person cuts the meat and passes the food around. Its not mystical or philosophical. Hes just sharing a meal.

Its not pagan in origin. Pagans, jewish,buddhist,bahai, and so for do the same thing with their families (not limited to)

Whay do you mean by pagan and how does it apply to what i described above?

Jews don't drink blood from a cup, symbolic or literal, in a religious service.

 

[Wharton]

or denial

Myth. Read the truth here The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia(2001, 2nd edition)



MT 7:13 “ Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

MT 7:14 “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Go count all the independent storefront 'churches' and radio/tv programs, you'll be out to infinity.