Jews don't drink blood from a cup, symbolic or literal, in a religious service.
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You have no idea of what is required to be a Catholic. So tell us, from your past experience of being a Catholic, what are the bare minimum requirements, to the best of your knowledge.
You have to offer all of the resources possible to draw people to Jesus before we can even address the gate issue. If they don't ever come to know Jesus, the gate issue is moot.
Unveiled Artist
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Worship - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
This is not somewhat my definition of worship but I dont restrict it it to deities and the supernatural. People worship money and so forth. It is how people place what they love in their life and the level of gratitude they give for it.
In relation to the definition:
transitive verb
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:to honor or reverence as a divine being or supernatural power
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:to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion <a celebrityworshipped by her fans>
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Dictionaries are not objective. Not all worship pla es emphasis on deities.
Unveiled Artist
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Wine not blood. . No Catholic sees and drinks actual blood. the eucharist is not cannibolism.
Ah, it is the precious blood, if you are a Catholic or Orthodox. It is no longer wine once consecrated.
kepha31
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Please read the logo (which I change often) CAREFULLY. It does not say, "Not all Catholic haters are equal..." It says, "Not all CHRISTIAN haters are equal. The Catholic League, who made the billboard, defends the civil and religious freedom of all denominations, including Jews.
kepha31
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One has to be open to receive God's grace that eventually leads them into understanding The Real and Substantial Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. Supernatural faith, not natural understanding, is required to understanding the Eucharist. It doesn't come by arguments. It comes by being open to God.
I have lots of arguments, but they won't do any good if the readers/listeners are not seeking and not open to God's invitations. Holy Communion for me is the most intimate experience with Jesus ever. It cannot be explained. A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument.
There are lists of Eucharistic miracles throughout the centuries. But Jesus performed astounding miracles and there were skeptics and critics who witnessed them yet refused to believe.
Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
There are more but that one is my favorite.
I have lots of arguments, but they won't do any good if the readers/listeners are not seeking and not open to God's invitations. Holy Communion for me is the most intimate experience with Jesus ever. It cannot be explained. A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument.
There are lists of Eucharistic miracles throughout the centuries. But Jesus performed astounding miracles and there were skeptics and critics who witnessed them yet refused to believe.
Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
There are more but that one is my favorite.
Unveiled Artist
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No Catholic drinks blood. No matter how we call it, literal, symbolic, spiritual, that doesnt change the fact that we are consuming consecrated "hosts" with whom the spirit of God came upon them to make them Jesus.
No catholic sees Jesus head, toes, and fingers in place of hosts. When I was confirmed and heard all this anti catholic non sense, i asked my raised catholic friend, "do you actually see Jesus flesh, fingers, bones?" She laughed, "no! Of course not."
The "spirit" of God came into the hosts:
If you look at concrecated host you will see bread and wine no matter what it becomes you will always see the accidents.
We are not cannibalist. We are consuming consecrated hosts.
No catholic sees Jesus head, toes, and fingers in place of hosts. When I was confirmed and heard all this anti catholic non sense, i asked my raised catholic friend, "do you actually see Jesus flesh, fingers, bones?" She laughed, "no! Of course not."
The "spirit" of God came into the hosts:
Make holy, therefore, these gifts, we pray,
by sending down your "Spirit" upon them like the dewfall, so that they may become for us the Body and + Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ." They become sacrificial "food" (the Lamb) to be eatened and consummed.
by sending down your "Spirit" upon them like the dewfall, so that they may become for us the Body and + Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ." They become sacrificial "food" (the Lamb) to be eatened and consummed.
If you look at concrecated host you will see bread and wine no matter what it becomes you will always see the accidents.
We are not cannibalist. We are consuming consecrated hosts.
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Consecrated into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. The last word is the qualifier. Divinity. Not humanity. Jesus is a superior being. It's not cannibalism.
Listen to the priest's words before communion. "As you (Jesus) humbled yourself to share in our humanity, we humble ourselves to share in your divinity.
Unveiled Artist
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I said we are Not cannibalist.
Im trying to figure how that relates to my post. We do edit--not eat Jesus fingers and toes. The spirit of God came upon the hosts to make them the body/blood of Jesus.
How does sharing in His divinity relate to my saying we do not drink real blood?
Im trying to figure how that relates to my post. We do edit--not eat Jesus fingers and toes. The spirit of God came upon the hosts to make them the body/blood of Jesus.
How does sharing in His divinity relate to my saying we do not drink real blood?
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Unveiled Artist
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Hey
I have a question or advice to ask. How do you explain to non or anti catholics that when we share in the Eucharist the accidents are still bread and wine (not jesus toes and feet) yet they are Jesus (became the Lamb after concecration)? This cannibalist thought is annoying.
I have a question or advice to ask. How do you explain to non or anti catholics that when we share in the Eucharist the accidents are still bread and wine (not jesus toes and feet) yet they are Jesus (became the Lamb after concecration)? This cannibalist thought is annoying.
Once again, Jesus is a superior being. It's not cannibalism.
This info may help you.
Catholic Bible 101 - When Non-Catholics say...
“The Eucharist is only symbolic. I can’t see any difference between a consecrated host and a plain host.”
Then you say…
Do you have a soul? Yes? Then please show it to me. Does gravity exist? Then please show me what it looks like. Has anyone ever seen the wind, or just the effects of the wind? What does air look like? Catholics walk by faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). The Real Presence of Jesus is hidden in the Eucharist EXACTLY like the divinity of Jesus was hidden in His manhood. Nobody who looked at Jesus could tell he was God by looking at him (except during the Transfiguration), and the Eucharist on every altar of every Catholic Church is just like that. You can't tell by looking at a consecrated host or the Precious Blood that it is truly Jesus, but, IT IS! Every Sunday Catholics say that we believe in all things seen and unseen, from the Nicene Creed formed in 325 AD. Jesus said at the Last Supper, “This IS my body” (Matthew 26:26), not “This represents my body.” Paul says that if you eat the Eucharist without discerning THE BODY (1 Corinthians 11:29-30), then you eat it to your own condemnation, and could get sick and die. Jesus Himself says His Flesh is real food and His blood is real drink (John 6:55). Just like the Adam physically ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and died (Genesis 3:3-17), just so, we are to physically eat Jesus’ (the new Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:45) flesh (John 6:51-56) from His tree (the Cross, Acts 5:30) and live forever. When Jesus says that “the flesh is useless” (John 6:63), He is not referring to His flesh (John 6:51: 54: 55: 56), but rather our human flesh in general. Otherwise, it would mean that Jesus’ flesh is useless, which would negate everything He just said in the entire chapter of John 6. There is no record in any of the gospels concerning the Last Supper of anyone present eating a regular Passover Lamb; rather they ate a consecrated piece of motzah bread that Jesus said was His Body, and we all know that Jesus is the spotless Lamb of God. And always remember, the Jews had to physically eat the Passover Lamb to complete the Passover meal, not a symbol of a Passover Lamb. If the Eucharist is really only a "symbol," then Jesus and His followers didn't really understand anything about the Passover Meal, and that is very hard for any Christian to fathom. Some people say that when Jesus said "This IS My Body," that he was speaking metaphorically, like when He said "I am the Door," or "I am the Vine." But in the cases of the door and vine analogies, no one said "How can this man become a wooden door or a climbing plant. BUT, in John 6:52, His disciples did say, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" In other words, His followers understood Him EXACTLY to be speaking literally, not figuratively, in regards to the Eucharist. He even let them leave Him over this "hard saying," and did not go to them and explain to them that he was speaking symbolically, like he did with other parables that he had to explain (like the parable of the sower and the seed). We also have the writings of the disciples of the apostles, the early Church Fathers, like Iranaeus and Ignatius. These early Church Fathers, many of whom were martyred for the faith at the Colosseum in Rome, were taught what to believe by the apostles. In no case did they ever say that the Eucharist is symbolic; rather, they said that it is indeed the flesh of Jesus Christ. Many Protestants refuse to read their writings, saying proudly that "they aren't biblical". They then pick up and read the writings of Max Lucado and Billy Graham! These early Church Fathers, at the risk of their very lives, handed on the gospels and the epistles to all future generations, before there even was a New Testament, which didn't come about until the late 4th Century. Their writings should at least be read from a historical context. To ignore them is to ignore Church history, which some protestants really believe started in the 16th Century with Martin Luther.
Unveiled Artist
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Please re read my posts. I said we are NOT cannibalist. I also explained the nature of the Eucharist and never refered to His actual boyu and blood (toes and dna) is consumed.
Please provide where I said otherwise. There is a misreading here.
Please provide where I said otherwise. There is a misreading here.
Unveiled Artist
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Please re read my posts. I said we are NOT cannibalist. I also explained the nature of the Eucharist and never refered to His actual body and blood (toes and dna) is consumed.
Please provide where I said otherwise. There is a misreading here.
"I have a question or advice to ask. How do you explain to non or anti catholics that when we share in the Eucharist the accidents are still bread and wine (not jesus toes and feet) yet they are Jesus (became the Lamb after concecration)? This cannibalist thought is annoying."
This cannabilist thought pattern...It is annoying because as I reposted, it is wrong. Yet, many people believe we are cannibalist. Without giving out so much history and ton of scripture, how would you explain to non and anti catholics the nature of the Eucharist?
Please provide where I said otherwise. There is a misreading here.
We got to clear up who misread what. I know the Catholic faith. I am confused what you are getting at.
Is it this?
"I have a question or advice to ask. How do you explain to non or anti catholics that when we share in the Eucharist the accidents are still bread and wine (not jesus toes and feet) yet they are Jesus (became the Lamb after concecration)? This cannibalist thought is annoying."
This cannabilist thought pattern...It is annoying because as I reposted, it is wrong. Yet, many people believe we are cannibalist. Without giving out so much history and ton of scripture, how would you explain to non and anti catholics the nature of the Eucharist?
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You said this:
How does sharing in His divinity relate to my saying we do not drink real blood?
It's called the Precious Blood of Jesus after consecration. What do you think you're drinking?
Unveiled Artist
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I was wondering how your statement about Jesus divinity had to do with my previous posts that mentioned the nature of the eucharist not being cannebalism and that we are consuming the sacrifical lamb at concecrationnof the hosts. I also said no catholic sees jesus toes and dna so by accident (appearance) it is bread and wine. I dont see how Jesus divinity relates.
Once again, after the consecration, the bread is the Body of Jesus, the wine is the Blood of Jesus.
What are you consuming? Hint. It's not bread or wine.
Unveiled Artist
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The appearance is bread and wine. No one sees Jesus feet and hair. Real blood--his dna.
I never said the bread and wine was not Jesus. I was saying the appearance of the accidents or hosts are bread and wine. God sent Jesus spirit into the hosts so they may become the body and blood of Jesus. They are still accidents. (we dont see the human Jesus) yet they are His blood and body because they are the sacrifical lamb.
Im not getting the confusion.
What am I missing here? Youre saying the same thing I am. I was confused how Jesus divinity had anything to do with our discussion about the nature of the Eucharist.
Where did I say Jesus is not in the Eucharist?
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When you take Jesus blood are you drinking His dna? When you take of His body, are you consuming His arms and legs? Dont you understand, He is the sacraficial lamb and as such in thr hosts, His spirit comes in (concecrated) to make the hosts Jesus spirit of flesh and blood so we can share in His divinity? Dont you see that what you are consuming are concecrated hosts?
Maybe some people actually see Jesus in the Eucharist. The Church doesnt teach that, the priest didnt teach me this, we are not cannibalist.
What are you not understanding?
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JM2C
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