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Masturbation is not wrong!

evearael

Well-Known Member
Sort of unrelated, but has anyone looked at the other articles on this "Sex in Christ" website from the OP?
:eek: I have never seen scripture used like that... I don't think that was the kind of "living water" Jesus referred to... I don't think hopping in bed with your neighbor's wife can ever be justified... I don't think Lamentations advocates that use of a ladies rear... I don't think "submitting graciously" condones BDS&M... That site is homophobic, unless you are a "lipstick lesbian" who respects traditional, submissive feminine roles. It warps scripture to cater to men's fantasies.
Sheesh... guys will say anything just to be able to get off.... right ladies? :biglaugh:
True.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
evearael said:
:eek: I have never seen scripture used like that... I don't think that was the kind of "living water" Jesus referred to... I don't think hopping in bed with your neighbor's wife can ever be justified... I don't think Lamentations advocates that use of a ladies rear... I don't think "submitting graciously" condones BDS&M... That site is homophobic, unless you are a "lipstick lesbian" who respects traditional, submissive feminine roles. It warps scripture to cater to men's fantasies.

I particularly enjoyed the first question in the "Readers Questions and Answers." Ah, heck, the whole thing is a riot! :biglaugh:

http://www.sexinchrist.com/reader.html
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
standing_alone said:
I particularly enjoyed the first question in the "Readers Questions and Answers." Ah, heck, the whole thing is a riot! :biglaugh:

http://www.sexinchrist.com/reader.html

I'll give 'em credit for trying to incorporate sexuality into Christianity. A sort of Christian Tantra yoga. But having said that, I still think it's a lost cause to reinterpret Christ's"living water" as "a husband's semen". And Evearael raises a good point that this appears to be very male oriented sexuality at that.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Um, ok? I have no clue why you would think that, but I think masturbation is wrong, and I agree whole-heartedly with Scott on this issue.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
I can understand the Abrahamic position here, and agree that to lose yourself in desire is not only unwarranted but can be detrimental. But let's not forget that we are Mind Spirt/Energy and Body. They all have different needs and all of them must be attended to. Is it healthy to repress yourself so much that it effects your behaviour in a negative fashion?
 

Fluffy

A fool
You wanna give it a toss... boys and girls... be my guest... but please be honest and see it for what it is : the carnal animal in us, and not as some "divine" spiritual event.

Agree fully. Although I guess we do disagree on the morality of masturbation, I see no reason to pretend that it is something which it is not.

Masturbation is amoral for me. It causes no harm and therefore is not a moral issue. In the cases where people have linked it with causing harm, it is always some other factor, and not the masturbation itself, which is the real cause.
 

Opethian

Active Member
Masturbation is not wrong, but it can be harmful for your keyboard and screen, so take precautions before you start.
 

Jerrell

Active Member
Since i've been banned for a while i dont know all of what has been said but here's my point.

-All that you do ought to please God
-If you are ashamed to tell someone what you are doing, then it is most likely wrong

IF you can't tell someone about your actions(Masturbating in this case) then it is wrong. If you can't bring your actions to the light then you're in darkness.

It comes to the point where what you think is the real sin itself. What are your reasons, is it an addiction, all of these are sin, you best pray for strength and power and overcome this. Masturbation is wrong.
 

Opethian

Active Member
-If you are ashamed to tell someone what you are doing, then it is most likely wrong

No, then it is most likely wrong in the eyes of that person.

IF you can't tell someone about your actions(Masturbating in this case) then it is wrong.

Only in the eyes of the person you don't want to talk with about it.

It comes to the point where what you think is the real sin itself. What are your reasons, is it an addiction, all of these are sin, you best pray for strength and power and overcome this. Masturbation is wrong.

In your eyes. Besides, every person has a different libido, so it's easy for you to say that it is wrong if you have less of a need to masturbate than another. Or for someone with a girlfriend/wife to say that to someone who is single.

Things like these depend highly on the point of view, and I don't think it's very fair of someone to say it is wrong or not wrong to others.


One of the biggest problems with religion is that it tries to give simple answers to complex issues.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
evearael said:
:eek: I have never seen scripture used like that... I don't think that was the kind of "living water" Jesus referred to... I don't think hopping in bed with your neighbor's wife can ever be justified... I don't think Lamentations advocates that use of a ladies rear... I don't think "submitting graciously" condones BDS&M... That site is homophobic, unless you are a "lipstick lesbian" who respects traditional, submissive feminine roles. It warps scripture to cater to men's fantasies.
That site is a parody site. Notice there is no information on the organization or people running the site and there is no scholarly documentation. It exists solely to get people riled up.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
~Lord Roghen~ said:
The sin of Onan was to his unfullfilingness to his God, not his spilling of seed.
Masturnation glorifies god by exercising his temple (body) properly in the manner it was made to be used. sexual masturnbation is important for sexual and mental health and therefore benefits the temple (body) of God

Edit:

I put up the wrong webpage lol :banghead3

methinks you pick and choose what to believe in, when it comes to sexuality, and Christianity..............You can't decide what rules you will adopt, and which you will ignore...................

The following beliefs (BTW) are not mine, but I am sure you would admit that they are yours (especially with your stance on sexual practices)
http://www.jackinworld.com/library/articles/christian.html

There is a general tone in Biblical scripture, particularly in the letters of Saint Paul, that we were created by God and therefore belong to Him, so that everything we do should glorify God. Our bodies are temples of God and we should respect them as such, avoiding all sorts of immoral and impure excesses. Traditional religious teaching has interpreted these concepts to include masturbation. It holds that God created sex to continue our race, so God favors only heterosexual intercourse sanctified by marriage because that is what makes babies and thus continues the race. Any other sexual behavior, such as masturbation or homosexuality, would be sinful because it leads us away from behavior that God approves.


Masturbating without lust seems to be
the biggest area of conflict for Christian men.



The Problem With Lust

Other people see the main religious problem being not so much with masturbating as with the lust that often attends it, particularly when pornography is used to aid arousal. (Lust is defined as an intense sexual desire or longing. The Greek word for lust means intensely wanting something that is forbidden.) A few respondents said that they can masturbate successfully without fantasizing about other people. They concentrate instead on their own bodies and the pleasant feelings that self-stimulation brings. But more respondents described repeatedly failing to avoid sexual fantasy. Masturbating without lust seems to be the biggest area of conflict for Christian men who seriously try to follow the teachings of their faith.

Some respondents resolve this dilemma by ignoring it — or, by reasoning that masturbation is a smaller sin than creating an unwanted pregnancy or contracting an STD. Others resolve it through the understanding of humans as imperfect and sinful by nature — it is human nature to sin, so if masturbation is a sin, then we are just being our imperfect, sinful selves. The best we can do is to pick ourselves up each time we fall and keep on trying to avoid sin. Moreover, we'd still be sinners even if we didn't masturbate.

The Catholic Church's Position

Although some religious denominations have changed their stance on masturbation as a sin, the Roman Catholic Church continues to classify the practice as mortal sin, along with any other sexual behavior that is not intercourse between a married male and female. One respondent described learning that the Church's reasoning for proscribing masturbation is based on the idea that ejaculating semen outside of a woman's vagina wastes human seed. The theory, however, does not account for the millions of sperm in an ejaculation into the vagina that die after one sperm fertilizes an ovum. Nor does it account for the millions of sperm that die within a male's body every day even when they are not ejaculated.
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
That site is a parody site. Notice there is no information on the organization or people running the site and there is no scholarly documentation. It exists solely to get people riled up.
I hope so. I'm not a total prude when it comes to sexuality, but I feel that the verses quoted were twisted far beyond reasonable limits.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Jerrell said:
-All that you do ought to please God
-If you are ashamed to tell someone what you are doing, then it is most likely wrong

IF you can't tell someone about your actions(Masturbating in this case) then it is wrong. If you can't bring your actions to the light then you're in darkness.

It comes to the point where what you think is the real sin itself. What are your reasons, is it an addiction, all of these are sin, you best pray for strength and power and overcome this. Masturbation is wrong.

All of this is simply your opinion. Just because it is something that you think you should feel ashamed of then you will. By your definitions, then, if someone openly admits it then it is NOT wrong, for by your logic, if you don't admit it then it is "most likely wrong". Guess what... members of MA (masturbation anonymous:sarcastic ) step forward all the time. I masturbate and am not afraid to admit I do something that is not only completely natural, but is practiced by ones such as yourself even though they vehemently deny it. Me thinks you protest too much.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Maize said:
That site is a parody site. Notice there is no information on the organization or people running the site and there is no scholarly documentation. It exists solely to get people riled up.

I've been taken! Thanks for posting that heads up, Maize. It shouldn't have been necessary because, in hindsight, the site is obviously parody. But it was. How can I have been so dense?
Maybe I should limit myself to just one six pack before posting?
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
Maybe I should limit myself to just one six pack before posting?
That is blasphemy against the church of Girls On Trampolines. For shame. I hereby sentence you to a whole month of nothing but non-alcoholic beer as repentence.
 
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