sandy whitelinger
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standing_alone said:Have some mercy!
Nothing personal but whaen I saw a comment about masturbation by "Standing Alone" I just had to check it out. No pun intended?
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Masturbation is not wrong!
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Nothing personal but whaen I saw a comment about masturbation by "Standing Alone" I just had to check it out. No pun intended?
Jerrell said:
I don't know what circles you travel in, but most of the people I know have very few issues with masturbation apart from how to best recycle tissue paper so as not to kill too many more trees by their dedication to it. If and when they are reluctant to discuss masturbation, it's most often because they consider the topic trivial, rather than scandalous. Yet, when the issue is rasised, they do "admit" to it. Not in a confessional way, but in the casual way of discussing it from experience. I don't think there's any great guilt about it among the people I know best.
Masturbation is different things to different people I suppose, but the only people I know who are addicted to it are a few of my teenage friends, especially males, and I figure they'll grow out of that addiction. After all, their testosterone is peaking: what else are they suppose to do? Hump everyone's legs? Indulge in raping lamp posts? In the meantime, it's not like they're going to break anything by doing it. So, how is it wrong? Even an addiction to it isn't usually dysfunctional, and certainly not nearly so dysfunctional as an addiction to many other things, including an addiction to religion.
This discussion reminds me of a passage in that wonderful, easy to read, but insightful little book, Karma Cola. A middle aged Hollywood producer becomes convinced he can't handle sex, so he goes to India to find a holy man who will teach him how to overcome his sexual desires. In India, he's referred from one person to the next, until he finally finds somewhere on the banks of the Ganges a man standing waist deep in the river, praying. He, like many an impatient American, shouts to the holy man that he has an urgent, life challenging problem, and needs immediate attention. The holy man quietly comes to a pause in his prayers and asks the American to wait. So, in some frustration because his problem is so urgent, the American sits down on the banks of the Ganges and waits for an hour or so as the sun goes down while the holy man prays.
Finally, the holy man turns to him, asks what the problem is, and the American explains that he is consumed by lust.
The holy man comes out of the river, removes his loin cloth, and achieves an erection, which he begins to masturbate. While masturbating, the holy man discusses the problem of sexual desire with the American, eventually saying: "It is a simple fact the body has needs. You will observe that I am even at this moment satisfying one of the needs of my body, yet my mind remains calm, detached from lust, able to deal with your question in reasonable manner even though I am satisfying my body's needs. For the more I fight lust, the more it will fight me, like a hunger for food that I leave unsatisfied becomes a greater hunger."
And, that, I believe is the essential difference between the Western and Eastern approaches to lust. The first seeks to condemn and deny, while the second "merely" seeks to put it in its proper place, to deal with it in passing beyond it. Which of these approaches better "overcomes" lust, do you think?
Easier on the eyes, but I'm willing to do it for the sake of our beer doctrine. It is a very serious offence. He got off easy thanks to Alyssa.Draka said:Hun, the eyes are covered for me...because I certainly have no desire to see Sunstone in ladies panties.
jeffrey
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Your at work. You have that urge. You sneak off to a quiet place. You finish, walk out the door just as your boss rounds the corner. He says "I've been looking for you! I wanted to commend you on a job well done!" And sticks his hand out for you to shake... Well? Do you shake it? :biglaugh:
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Scott1 said:Some of us disagree with the proper manner our bodies are to be used for...
Your "if it feels good, then it glorifies God" ideal just does not work for me.... heck, all sin feels good... it is supposed to .... the pleasure from sinning is God's greatest gift to us (wrap your head around that one
Chastity (including not masturbating) includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy. "Man's dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end."
Many people take drugs to "glorify" their mind and body... and it destroys them.
Many people develop eating disorders to "glorify" their mind and body ... and it destroys them.
Many people cut their flesh to "help" them cope.... it works for them, so it must "glorify" their mind and body and it destroys them.
You wanna give it a toss... boys and girls... be my guest... but please be honest and see it for what it is : the carnal animal in us, and not as some "divine" spiritual event.
Sheesh... guys will say anything just to be able to get off.... right ladies? :biglaugh:
Peace and love,
S
Ha! So true...
Opethian said:Well for those of us that know that the carnal animal in us, is in fact all there is to us, this can't be a problem, can't it
Well for those of us that know .............is in fact all there is to us.
I am glad you are so sure; I can't wait to see your 'face' after your mortal death, you're in for a shock, my friend...............:biglaugh:
Opethian
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Well, I can only hope for an afterlife, but my mind tells me otherwise
. If I thought that there was something spiritual inside of us, something that could make us "better or worse" through the actions and decisions we make, I would definitely make us of it. Yet everything I know and have experienced tells me otherwise.
Opethian said:Well, I can only hope for an afterlife, but my mind tells me otherwise
That's why it's called having "Faith". Of course, I would be the first to tell you that, of course, what you believe is up to you, and since (personally, I believe that God will test us all by what is in our hearts, as I have said many a time, I am sure 'heaven' will be populated with as many atheists as it will with theists).
But I do hope I make it there too, just to stick my tongue out at you and say "Told you so!!).....hang on, that wouldn't be Christian......oh heck..............
The one part of your post that really puzzles me is your
Why on Earth would you hope for one?, especially since it is in direct contradiction with your beliefs.........hang on, you're not getting the religious bug on us (are you)?.............nah, I know you better!:biglaugh:
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How could hope, ever be in contradiction with believe?M said:
Jerrell
Active Member
Opethian said:
This is a very itchy subject. You came here thinking one way and you shall leave thinking the same way if you dont open your heart. Do you really think any sane person with diecentcy would talk to anybody about them masturbating? It is, to me, and many others nasty to talk about your sexual life, immoral or moral to almost anyone that should be between you and your wife.-that is society here in America- Also the BIbles condemns such acts.
It is a growing experince. If you dont think it is a sin, then think that, just like many people think being homosexual is not wrong. I see it as this. Most people on here do not want to change, and have made up in their mind that they won't.
I will not try to proove to you that This act is wrong. Everyone needs to grow and learn for themselves. Yet sometimes when one teaches themself they get taught wrong.