Maybe I don't want to be a Christian any more

[sojourner]

I think the best way to best understand and communicate with you is to get your personal view in regards to the Bible. It does not seem that your view of the Scriptures is the same as my view. Since the Scriptures determines my ultimate source of authority in how God reveals Himself to us, what is your ultimate source of authority in how God reveals Himself to us? I believe Jesus has cleary taught that He is the door. He also taught that many will come in His name that are false.

Both scripture and the Tradition. I am not a subscriber to sola scriptura.

 

[sojourner]

God is love according to His written revelation (Holy Bible). What do you mean by the word love?

If God is love, why would God punish us eternally for being just what we were created to be: Flawed human beings who make poor choices?

 

[blackout]

Originally Posted by Christian Pilgrim
God is love according to His written revelation (Holy Bible). What do you mean by the word love?

Even love cannot speak for itself then.

Some people need a book to define everything for them.

They do not know how to simply experience and enjoy life & love.

Sad that.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

Even love cannot speak for itself then.

Some people need a book to define everything for them.

They do not know how to simply experience and enjoy life & love.

Sad that.

God is love.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The only reason we have a "Bible" is because of the canon, which was developed solely with the intention of its being a list of "things we can read in church."

I find that to be a very interesting statement. I hope you don't mind if I start another thread with it as the seed.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

I just don't understand LDS Christians. Why do LDS Christians want the approval of Christendom when the Mormon Church is claiming to restore apostate Christianity through new revelation apart from Scripture? If anyone should be angry in the flesh, it should be historic Christians since Mormonism is calling all of our brothers and sisters in Christ for the last 20 centuries to be apostate. Doesn't Christendom have the right to "contend for the Faith that was once for all delivered to the Saints" against LDS Christianity? After-all, God commands us in Jude 3 to do this very thing. Please, let's get some historical and theological perspective on personal claims of Katzpur and other LDS Christians.

The Great Apostasy

Judgment on False Teachers

Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. - Jude 3

Do you think I'm a Mormon?

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

Do you think I'm a Mormon?

Please tell me about your flavor of Christianity. What defines your beliefs on how God is like, and what He expects of us?

 

[ChristineES]

What are the rules of being a follower of Jesus/Y'shua? Can one be a follower of Jesus/Y'shua and not be a Christian or a Jew?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

And WHY do you feel so compelled? Why can't you follow Carlin's 11th commandment?

I think you have me all wrong. I share out of brotherly love and not conceit. If you read my post, you'll realize that
1) I was talking to Katzpur
2) I recognize the problems of over baring Christians
3) As Christians, we are to build-up and not tear-down others

Believe what ever myth(s) you like. Nobody really cares. But why oh WHY can't you practice some common respect for others and KEEP YOUR CRAP TO YOURSELVES?

I like how you demand common respect and yet not show it to others you have just met. :sarcastic

You want special privileges for this myth, you want its precept taught in schools, enacted into law, used to control commerce, dictate speech, control science, etc etc etc.

I don't believe I was making those arguments in my post and that's called a straw man.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Please tell me about your flavor of Christianity.

I am a Christian who believes in evolution and saying hello at the liquor store.
My flavor is Jack Daniels, Gentleman's if they have it.

What defines your beliefs on how God is like

I'm not going to say the Bible is without error, but for me, I feel the characteristics that Jesus demonstrated to others in the NT, more or less defines my beliefs on what God is like.

what He expects of us?

Matthew 22:36-40 (NIV)

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

I am a Christian who believes in evolution and saying hello at the liquor store.
My flavor is Jack Daniels, Gentleman's if they have it.


I'm not going to say the Bible is without error, but for me, I feel the characteristics that Jesus demonstrated to others in the NT, more or less defines my beliefs on what God is like.

Originally Posted by Christian Pilgrim
what He expects of us?

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Matthew 22:36-40 (NIV)

Matthew 22:36-40 is just a summary of the 10 commandments. How's it going for you by living by the 10 commandments? Are you able to keep them perfectly? What is it called when we break a single commandment? What are the wages of sin?

 

[blackout]

God is love.

gOd is also life.

Point in case.

 

[challupa]

gOd is also life.

Point in case.

Hmm so love life?!

 

[sojourner]

Hmm so love life?!

Or live love?

 

[Dezzie]

I completely agree with everything you have said here Katzpur. When I look at some of the things Christians say about another person and what they believe IS very judgemental. It's like... a big popularity contest in my eyes... Let's see how many people we can get to follow us and what we do... but yet... those Christians judging do what? They are hypocrisizing themselves by acting that way. The God(s) up above supposedly want us all to love thy neighbor in the Cristian bible right? What the heck then??? I mean seriously... Leave others to their business. We all have rights here. Get over it. Arg...

I've been getting tired of religion in general... it is so judgemental across the world, it is ridiculous...

 

[challupa]

Or live love?

Yes that would work very well too.

 

[McBell]

I think the best way to best understand and communicate with you is to get your personal view in regards to the Bible.

I disagree.
You are only looking to critisize and ridicule the beliefs of those that differ from yours.

It does not seem that your view of the Scriptures is the same as my view.

No surprise there.
But I think you got the premise backwards.

Since the Scriptures determines my ultimate source of authority in how God reveals Himself to us, what is your ultimate source of authority in how God reveals Himself to us?

You do know that there is a difference between 'Bible' and 'Scripture', right?

I believe Jesus has cleary taught that He is the door. He also taught that many will come in His name that are false.

I can agree to this.
But I disagree with your assumption that because most disagree with your opinions, that you have to be right.

Both scripture and the Tradition. I am not a subscriber to sola scriptura.

OMG!!
You mentioned Bible Only!

Christian Hunter has a big issue when it comes to Bible Only.
He wants so desperately to declare it, but is completely unable to validate it.

God is love.

Perhaps then you should follow his example?

Matthew 22:36-40 is just a summary of the 10 commandments. How's it going for you by living by the 10 commandments? Are you able to keep them perfectly? What is it called when we break a single commandment? What are the wages of sin?

Where did you dig up this load of crap?
Interesting how you ask others how they do with the ten commandments when you yourself fail miserably in this very thread.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

In fact, you define religion in some of the most unloving and hostile ways I have ever seen imo.

Then you should get out more.

There is nothing odd, un-Christian, unknown, surprising, or even new in the posts of our devout CP. What he is spouting IS the faith as taught every day of the week and twice on Sunday in churches all over this country. If you don’t recognize it you haven’t been paying attention. And as he is rather ineffectually pointing out if you don’t see that you are not a practicing Christian. At least not as the faith has been understood for 2,000 years. What you are practicing is wrong at best if not Satanic. And if you continue you will burn in hell forever and rightly so.

That’s his story

God said it
I believe it
That settles it.
And he’s sticking to it.



"I like how you demand common respect and yet not show it to others you have just met."


I have NO idea what that is even supposed to mean.




"I mean seriously... Leave others to their business. We all have rights here. Get over it. Arg... "

When you have figured out WHY they can't do that let me know.

 

[challupa]

In fact, you define religion in some of the most unloving and hostile ways I have ever seen imo.

Then you should get out more.

There is nothing odd, un-Christian, unknown, surprising, or even new in the posts of our devout CP. What he is spouting IS the faith as taught every day of the week and twice on Sunday in churches all over this country. If you don’t recognize it you haven’t been paying attention. And as he is rather ineffectually pointing out if you don’t see that you are not a practicing Christian. At least not as the faith has been understood for 2,000 years. What you are practicing is wrong at best if not Satanic. And if you continue you will burn in hell forever and rightly so.

That’s his story

God said it
I believe it
That settles it.
And he’s sticking to it.

LOL yeah there have been worse I guess. I do have plenty of exposure to pretty passionate (to be polite) Christians. I am not a Christian but I seem to have the great pleasure of being surrounded by quite a number of them in a birth family I found a while back. Interesting to say the least.

 

[J Bryson]

Over the course of my life, I have run into any number of Christians who tend to be a bit extreme and intense when discussing their beliefs. Fortunately, I have also run into a nearly equal number who prefer to show their faith through action rather than judgment. They're the ones who helped to feed me when I was homeless, who have rallied around neighborhoods after fires and mudslides, who have been at the forefront of clothing drives and cleanup crews, and who have been living a Jesus filled life rather than a life spent ranting about Jesus.

I really like those Christians.