Parchment
Active Member
"If plants could scream would vegetarians be so cavalier about eating them? probably so if they screamed all the time for no good reason."
- ripped off and changed by me from a Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy quote
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Meat eating fascists attack vegan cafe
- Thread starter Lyndon
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"If plants could scream would vegetarians be so cavalier about eating them? probably so if they screamed all the time for no good reason."
- ripped off and changed by me from a Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy quote
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And farts about the same.
Scientists say cow farts are a major contribution to green house gas emissions.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That's pretty terrible. It's sad that people would feel so threatened as to attack this cafe with meat.
The article you linked to, however, points out that there's a whole lot of cultural issues here beyond just that.
From the article:
The cafe said it had drawn some local hostility because of "the way we look, music that we listen to, ideas we support, and the fact that we don't eat meat" and backing of causes such as rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people.
It goes onto talk about how Georgia is largely Orthodox Christian, has a generally lgbt-intolerant culture, and that far-right nationalism has been on the rise lately. It cites a case where some lgbt activists were attacked by a mob led by an Orthodox priest.
There's clearly a whole lot going on here more than just omnivore vs vegan.
McBell
Unbound
Which means we should be eating cows to reduce the farts they produce.
Which seems counter productive to your vegetarian beliefs....
I spent several years as a near-vegan vegetarian, mainly due to ethics and opposition to factory farms especially.
Then due to a lot of published studies I was reading about nutrition, I eventually added some pastured grass-fed steak, wild-caught salmon, pastured eggs, and shellfish to an otherwise mostly plant-based diet. My health has improved a ton since then, and in particular chronic headaches went almost entirely away.
I actually eat more vegetables now than I did as a vegetarian, because I replaced most of my grains and sugar and processed foods with more vegetables, avocados, etc.
I think there's a lot of common ground between sensible vegans/vegetarians and environmentally and ethically conscious omnivores. Factory farms and grave mistreatment of animals should be legally outlawed, and there should be a lot more consumer interest in environmentally sustainable whole non-processed food.
I've developed a lot of interest in permacultures (farms that mimic nature by using plants and animals together in a natural way), and have been somewhat reducing the amount of monoculture row-crops and other soil-damaging types of vegetation in my diet in favor of other types of plants that don't involve plows and digging up the earth every season. .
Then due to a lot of published studies I was reading about nutrition, I eventually added some pastured grass-fed steak, wild-caught salmon, pastured eggs, and shellfish to an otherwise mostly plant-based diet. My health has improved a ton since then, and in particular chronic headaches went almost entirely away.
I actually eat more vegetables now than I did as a vegetarian, because I replaced most of my grains and sugar and processed foods with more vegetables, avocados, etc.
I think there's a lot of common ground between sensible vegans/vegetarians and environmentally and ethically conscious omnivores. Factory farms and grave mistreatment of animals should be legally outlawed, and there should be a lot more consumer interest in environmentally sustainable whole non-processed food.
I've developed a lot of interest in permacultures (farms that mimic nature by using plants and animals together in a natural way), and have been somewhat reducing the amount of monoculture row-crops and other soil-damaging types of vegetation in my diet in favor of other types of plants that don't involve plows and digging up the earth every season. .
McBell
Unbound
What is illogical about it?
If cow farts are causing global warming, makes sense to lower the cow population, right?
Now i for one think that slaughtering cows and dumping them in mass graves is a major waste of beef.
The cow population is so large because they are force-bred to meet the demand. Remove the demand for beef, lower the cow population, lessen the release of methane.
It obviously means that we should not be producing more livestock to feed, torment, slaughter and eat tomorrow.
McBell
Unbound
Interesting that neither of you addressed my point...
What to do with the extra cows that already exist.
I'd say animals used day-in and day-out for dairy products oftentimes suffer the most of any livestock animals.
Not supporting the industry is the only way to make the industry go away. Purchasing and consuming these animal parts will not result in fewer methane emissions. It only supports the industry.
Regardless of how desperate one might be to try to justify or avoid the issue of the suffering that humans cause to billions of livestock animals every year, there is no evidence that plants suffer.
Neo nazi fascists? I doubt it. I think we have evidence that Hitler was a vegetarian. On account of him being distressed by cruelty against animals.
So, they were probably just some unlabelled idiots.
Ciao
- viole
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Have you ever lived on a farm? I have. Raised and born on one during my childhood well into my late teens.
Vast majority are not the concentration camp fun houses of torture that you seem to dream up concerning the whole overall picture. Most operations have healthy well fed animals with plenty time out in the field.
Just take a ride through the country.
Speaks for itself.
Parchment
Active Member
So you do not dispute that there is no evidence by which to conclude that plants suffer.