Mentally ill Afghani woman brutally beaten and burnt to death for allegedly burning Qur'an.

[leibowde84]

Alas, this isn't a Muslim thing, but seems to be human Nature.
How bizarre is it that people are so much more concerned with symbols than the actual principles symbolized. People will eagerly violate the principles and edicts symbolized in an effort to demonstrate support for the symbol.

What's up with that?

People put their beliefs above other people. I cannot think of anything more evil than that.

 

[FearGod]

We need a new strategy. I think the Islamic world needs to fight extremism with the idea that murder is unjustifiable no matter what.

And the world should support the good guys in the Islamic world, let me show you that the whole world is filthy, hope this word "filthy" won't put me in trouble as the word disrespect did with me in the other thread.

The case of Raif Albadawi (in jail) and what the world did to support him, threads in the forums, human rights...etc

 

[leibowde84]

And the world should support the good guys in the Islamic world, let me show you that the whole world is filthy, hope this word "filthy" won't put me in trouble as the word disrespect did with me in the other thread.

The case of Raif Albadawi (in jail) and what the world did to support him, threads in the forums, human rights...etc

How did you use the word "disrespectful" in a way that got you warned? That doesn't seem fair.

But, can I have some more clarification of what you mean specifically? I would certainly not agree with Raif Albadawi's statements (although, he has a lot more experience with Islamic Countries than I do), but I would certainly and wholeheartedly fight for his right to express his opinions without fear of being imprisoned. Wouldn't you? That is kind of my whole point. We should not outlaw expressing one's own disgust with any religion, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Atheism, etc. That is something that I cannot see the value in.

When we imprison men and women for speaking their mind, their voice becomes louder and more easily heard. If you want to silence them, it is necessary to attack them on their own ground ... meaning, through argumentation and words.

 

[leibowde84]

And the world should support the good guys in the Islamic world, let me show you that the whole world is filthy, hope this word "filthy" won't put me in trouble as the word disrespect did with me in the other thread.

The case of Raif Albadawi (in jail) and what the world did to support him, threads in the forums, human rights...etc

Or, wait. Did I look up the wrong guy? Here is the guy I was referring to - Raif Badawi. I am not very familiar with either, so please excuse me if I am in error.

 

[FearGod]

How did you use the word "disrespectful" in a way that got you warned? That doesn't seem fair.

But, can I have some more clarification of what you mean specifically? I would certainly not agree with Raif Albadawi's statements (although, he has a lot more experience with Islamic Countries than I do), but I would certainly and wholeheartedly fight for his right to express his opinions without fear of being imprisoned. Wouldn't you? That is kind of my whole point. We should not outlaw expressing one's own disgust with any religion, whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Atheism, etc. That is something that I cannot see the value in.

When we imprison men and women for speaking their mind, their voice becomes louder and more easily heard. If you want to silence them, it is necessary to attack them on their own ground ... meaning, through argumentation and words.

Not warning for the using of the word "disrespect" but the misunderstanding between me and you about me using it for the semi naked women, did you forget ?

My point is that the whole world can do nothing to free Raif Badawi or albadawi and they have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia and recently Saudi Arabia had cut off business relationship with Sweden because of Raif Badawi, so why not the US and their allies to do what Sweden had did.

 

[leibowde84]

Not warning for the using of the word "disrespect" but the misunderstanding between me and you about me using it for the semi naked women, did you forget ?

My point is that the whole world can do nothing to free Raif Badawi or albadawi and they have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia and recently Saudi Arabia had cut off business relationship with Sweden because of Raif Badawi, so why not the US and their allies to do what Sweden had did.

I didn't know you got warned, but I remember the posts. In regards to your request, I agree that we should explore those options. I think it is completely reasonable to financially punish any country who commits human rights abuses, like imprisoning someone for insulting a religion.

One thing that is certainly unfair, though, is to place blame on Americans for what our leaders do. We elect them, but in situations like this, the American People are in the dark. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and secrecy is paramount in our government. It is a representative democracy, so we only elect the leaders, they reason and make the decisions. And, they certainly make a lot of mistakes. Won't argue with that.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't know you got warned, but I remember the posts.

No i wasn't warned.

In regards to your request, I agree that we should explore those options. I think it is completely reasonable to financially punish any country who commits human rights abuses, like imprisoning someone for insulting a religion.

One thing that is certainly unfair, though, is to place blame on Americans for what our leaders do. We elect them, but in situations like this, the American People are in the dark. We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and secrecy is paramount in our government. It is a representative democracy, so we only elect the leaders, they reason and make the decisions. And, they certainly make a lot of mistakes. Won't argue with that.

As you see all of us are under the leaders decisions and nothing can be done.

 

[leibowde84]

No i wasn't warned.




As you see all of us are under the leaders decisions and nothing can be done.

You just have to make sure they aren't re-elected. But, I certainly am in no position to complain about my leader's decisions in this specific circumstance because I am not privy to nearly as much information as they are.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

They are not real Muslims. A real Muslim wouldn't do this. Not do anything this savage for burning a book.

 

[leibowde84]

Only some of the anti-Islam and anti-religion must be happy. This thing achieve nothing but adding fire to fire.
There's nothing peaceful or wise about that.
Like if a muslim will say "well done !" after seeing that...



Youtube is full of racists and dumb comments.

I don't know. It might bring out those that do put the value of a book over a human's life. It is valuable information to understand who these people are.

 

[Nietzsche]

I don't know. It might bring out those that do put the value of a book over a human's life. It is valuable information to understand who these people are.

Agreed. They'll be easier to find.

 

[SomeRandom]

What i say is that evil is evil regardless of what shape it takes.

It can be for money, for sex or for religion and all are disgusting, so why only crimes done by the name of religion is disgusting and leaving many other disgusting ones that is happening every day and everywhere.

If we want to discuss such cases of crimes one thread for each crime, then i can daily author 100 threads of disgusting crimes happening all around the world.

My opinion that this thread is a silly one and some may find it interesting similar to the way that roaches find the sink interesting, so stay in it discussing one single crime that rarely happening.

No one here ever said that other crimes are not equally disgusting. No one here said that Muslims are the only people who commit such atrocities. This isn't an attack on your faith, this is an attack on people who hide behind faith to do inhuman things. These people because they have "God" on their side are especially dangerous. You can hit someone evil who has a lot of money provided you have a good hacker with a few scruples. What can you do to people convinced they are doing God's work? Lock em up? They'd still be praying and convinced they did right. Kill them maybe? But they'd probably end up a martyr. Hopefully not but it can happen. This uncivilised barbaric crime occurred because of religious extremism. It doesn't matter what religion it happened to be. We should still fight against it.

 

[Aquitaine]

This is very brutal.

She needed mental help, not killing.

Was she a Muslim, in your eyes?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Was she a Muslim, in your eyes?

She was mental, thats all what matters. She needed mental help.

 

[Mukkled]

People put their beliefs above other people. I cannot think of anything more evil than that.

how about making people thinking that their ideas are above everyone and they should kill others ?

 

[Mukkled]

People put their beliefs above other people. I cannot think of anything more evil than that.

how about making people thinking that their ideas are above everyone and they should kill others ?

 

[Nietzsche]

She was mental, thats all what matters. She needed mental help.

Oh look. We're making progress. So you won't have a problem, then, were someone to treat her tormentors just as they did her?

I'd like that.

They listened to a woman die screaming for help that would never come. They deserve no less a fate. Say, beat half to death and use that half as kindling to burn the others alive?

I bet no one would ever do something like that ever again if they saw that.

Do you?

 

[Aquitaine]

She was mental, thats all what matters. She needed mental help.

Even if she was an apostate would you still take the same sympathetic view?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Even if she was an apostate would you still take the same sympathetic view?

If she was apostate who lives her life without bothering muslims? Why should such apostate be killed by the state when Quran says there is no compulsion in religion?

 

[Pastek]

I don't know. It might bring out those that do put the value of a book over a human's life. It is valuable information to understand who these people are.

It's not better than the comments saying "kill all the muslims" that we can see under almost all the videos concerning Islam.
I've even see things like "if a see a muslim next to my house i kill him, do the same" Does it give a valuable information too ?
I think commentaries on youtube are just stupids most of time. I don't take seriously those who call for hatred and killings of me or my fellow muslims ...
What's more scary ? Someone who says his Book is precious or someone who calls clearly for killing people ?

What is more stupid is when i see those comments unders pershmerga's videos as if permerghas weren't muslims themselves ...

Of course those kind of stupids comments are against many other groups not only muslims.