Misquote in the Gospel

[savagewind]

It has occurred to me that if the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses was teaching people to tell the truth, which I think they should be, nobody who is taught by them would be able to say things like, "Italy backed [anyone] 100%". @kjw47

Which is just another to way say they are not teaching you the truth. (I have proof)

Also, if the governing body members are really kings and priests for Jesus Christ, they shouldn't be able to tell any lies. That, according to what is written. Revelation 14:5 no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.+

 

[kjw47]

That makes no sense. Why would the ones fearing Hitler kill for Hitler???

The ones fearing Hitler were the ones most likely to

A. Allow Hitler to kill or murder anyone he wanted and

B. Oppose Hitler because they feared his policies​

It’s the one who loved, believed and supported Hitler and/or his policies that are most likely to kill, not the ones who “feared” him.

Look, a lot of Americans fear terrorists. Do you think the people who fear terrorists are the ones most likely people to sign up for ISIS and help them kill?? Where do you get this stuff???



Payback to Catholicism???

Wow! I’m glad you said it was you who believed this because absolutely no fair-minded Christian does. Surely your Organization doesn’t believe any of this bigoted, anti-Catholic nonsense either, do they?



Again, this makes no sense. The Allies were not fighting Catholics. They were fighting Nazis and Fascists which were nationalist, not Catholic religious organizations. Didn’t you ever study World War 2 in school?



With all due respect kjw, virtually every religion on the planet can point to some form of religious persecution, even Catholics.



You call us “duped” yet your “truth” sounds nothing more than anti-Catholic, pro-Nazi, God-is-upset- with-Christians-because-they-didn’t-let-the-Jews-die, anti-Semitic propaganda to me.

I guess the whole thing makes a sort of sense within your Organization. Your teachers use replacement theology to spiritually eliminate Israel from Revelation. Expecting God to have them physically eliminated would be the logical, but theologically twisted, next step.

But in all fairness, extermination is no more than what you expect God to do for "Christendom".

The Israelites and JW,s were exposing the trinity God as non existent--Catholicism did not like it--Late 20,s clergy ordered JW,s to be tarred and feathered--it happened)-- Catholicism high up clergy signed the concordance with Adolf Hitler--Pics of them shaking Hitlers hand in the Holocaust museum-- Then they allowed their young men to kill for him, kill catholics who were standing on the other side--then portrayed to all creation one of the biggest hipocrosys ever to be witnessed when the supposed teachers of Jesus--prayed to the same God on both sides, while they were blowing each others heads off--that right there alone proves 100%--They do not know Jesus. And vica versa.

Actually God left the door open to Israel--they need but do verse 39 here at Matt 23:37-39--they have outright refused for over 1900 years.
Spiritual Israel is spoken of in Revelation. Not Literal Israel.

 

[kjw47]

What does this mean and how in the world do you know that?

Do you mean the Vatican?

Italy and Germany 1936 to 1940 - History Learning Site

The fact they let even 1 young catholic kill for him proves they do not know Jesus. But to stand on both sides praying to the same god while the young men blew each others heads off is one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation. There are catholics in all of the countries involved.

The real teachers of Jesus knew to warn the young men--NEVER stand against each other on the orders of wicked men. Jesus would not ever allow it.

 

[savagewind]

The fact they let even 1 young catholic kill for him proves they do not know Jesus. But to stand on both sides praying to the same god while the young men blew each others heads off is one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation. There are catholics in all of the countries involved.

The real teachers of Jesus knew to warn the young men--NEVER stand against each other on the orders of wicked men. Jesus would not ever allow it.

Tell me, how do you call the people who work for the SS your "brothers"?

 

[savagewind]

The fact they let even 1 young catholic kill for him proves they do not know Jesus. But to stand on both sides praying to the same god while the young men blew each others heads off is one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation. There are catholics in all of the countries involved.

The real teachers of Jesus knew to warn the young men--NEVER stand against each other on the orders of wicked men. Jesus would not ever allow it.

The point I wanted to discuss is that you said "100% of Italy" supported the Nazi machine. Didn't you?

 

[kjw47]

It has occurred to me that if the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses was teaching people to tell the truth, which I think they should be, nobody who is taught by them would be able to say things like, "Italy backed [anyone] 100%". @kjw47

Which is just another to way say they are not teaching you the truth. (I have proof)

Also, if the governing body members are really kings and priests for Jesus Christ, they shouldn't be able to tell any lies. That, according to what is written. Revelation 14:5 no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.+

The GB didn't lie--they made errors--the errors were corrected.If they were lying --they never would have exposed it by correcting. By making correction--this proves true-Dan 12:4--and then that is the only way one can accomplish this bottom line reality= John 4:22-24

 

[kjw47]

Tell me, how do you call the people who work for the SS your "brothers"?

God created all mortals--one human family. Govts--false religions --divide.

 

[savagewind]

God created all mortals--one human family. Govts--false religions --divide.

Yes, anyone who wishes to stand above humanity will ultimately divide peoples.

 

[kjw47]

The point I wanted to discuss is that you said "100% of Italy" supported the Nazi machine. Didn't you?

I doubt I said it like that. bUT there is no doubt--Catholicism backed Hitler to the hilt. In every country ones could see Hitler was a mass murderer--no true follower had anything to do with him. Let alone kill for him.

 

[savagewind]

The GB didn't lie--they made errors--the errors were corrected.If they were lying --they never would have exposed it by correcting. By making correction--this proves true-Dan 12:4--and then that is the only way one can accomplish this bottom line reality= John 4:22-24

What did they correct? Did they ever apologize to all the people who they led to believe the end would come in 1975?

 

[savagewind]

I doubt I said it like that. bUT there is no doubt--Catholicism backed Hitler to the hilt. In every country ones could see Hitler was a mass murderer--no true follower had anything to do with him. Let alone kill for him.

Watchtower criticises other religious groups for colluding with Hitler, whilst Jehovah's Witnesses were imprisoned for their refusal to compromise their standards. What is not admitted is that Rutherford initially praised Hitler for his stance against Jews and the Anglo/American empire.

"Therefore, on June 25, 1933, a declaration regarding their ministry and its objectives was adopted by Jehovah's Witnesses at an assembly in Berlin. Copies were sent to all the high government officials, and millions more were distributed to the public. Nevertheless, in July 1933 the courts refused to grant a hearing for relief. Early the following year, a personal letter regarding the situation was written by J. F. Rutherford to Adolf Hitler and delivered to him by special messenger. Then the entire worldwide brotherhood went into action.

On Sunday morning, October 7, 1934, at nine o'clock, every group of Witnesses in Germany assembled. They prayed for Jehovah's guidance and blessing. Then each group sent a letter to German government officials declaring their firm determination to keep on serving Jehovah." - Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimer's Of God's Kingdom p.693.........

Letter to Hitler
Russell, founder of the Watchtower, was a Zionist and sympathetic to Jews as part of modern day fulfilment of Bible prophecy. Rutherford initially continued such support, but changed by the 1930's to a bigoted, anti-Semitic stance.

"Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position" The Golden Age 1927 Feb 23 p.343"The Jews were evicted from Palestine and ‘their house left unto them desolate’ because they rejected Christ Jesus, the beloved and anointed King of Jehovah. To this day the Jews have not repented of this wrongful act committed by their forefathers. … In 1917 the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors. ... The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved." Vindication - Book II (1932) pp.257-258

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 "Dear Reichskanzler,
…
The Brooklyn headquarter of the Watchtower Society is pro German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. For that reason, in 1918, the president of the Society and seven members of the board of directors were sentenced to 80 years in prison, because the president refused to use two of the magazines published in America under his direction for war propaganda against Germany. These two magazines, "The Watchtower" and "Bible Student" were the only magazines in America which refused to engage in anti-German propaganda and for that reason were prohibited and suppressed in America during the war.

In the very same manner, in course of the recent months the board of directors of our Society not only refused to engage in propaganda against Germany, but has even taken a position against it. The enclosed declaration underlines this fact and emphasizes that the people leading in such propaganda (Jewish businessmen and Catholics) also are the most rigorous persecutors of the work of our Society and its board of directors. This and other statements of the declaration are meant to repudiate the slanderous accusation, that Bible Researchers are supported by the Jews.

The conference of five thousand delegates also noted - as is expressed in the declaration - that the Bible Researchers of Germany are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national government of the German Reich proclaimed respecting the relationship of humans to God, namely: honesty of the created being towards its creator.

The conference came to the conclusion that there are no contradictions when it comes to the relationship between the Bible Researchers of Germany to the national government of the German Reich. To the contrary, referring to the purely religious and unpolitical goals and efforts of the Bible Researchers, it can be said that these are in full agreement with the identical goals of the national government of the German Reich.

...

We are looking forward to your kind approval, which we hope to receive soon, and want to assure our highest respect to you, honorable Mr. Reichskanzler.

Yours faithfully,
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Magdeburg"

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 Can you see that your statement "-no true follower had anything to do with him." proves that the Watchtower was not being organized by the true followers of Jesus then.

 

[Oeste]

The Israelites and JW,s were exposing the trinity God as non existent

Well, if your Organization is teaching you this, they're in dreamland. There were no Israelites in Germany during World War 2 because Israel didn't exist then. There were plenty of Jews, though.

The idea that Jews were going around Germany "exposing the Trinity" is nonsense.

Are you getting this stuff from the same "teachers" who taught 1925???

Catholicism did not like it--Late 20,s clergy ordered JW,s to be tarred and feathered--it happened)--

Blacks were "tarred and feathered" too. Was this ordered by Catholic clergy?

And what of the Catholic clergy, like John Baptist, who were "tarred and feathered"?

I think your "tarring and feathering" were caused by mobs, not by order of Catholic clergy. There was plenty of that nonsense going on back then. I see no need to compound religious bigotry with more religious bigotry, do you?

Catholicism high up clergy signed the concordance with Adolf Hitler--Pics of them shaking Hitlers hand in the Holocaust museum--

I think Savagewind answered this rather nicely.

Your Organization was eager to reach its own concordance with Hitler and didn't mind throwing the Jews under the bus while it did so.

Can't wait to see your response.

Then they allowed their young men to kill for him, kill catholics who were standing on the other side--then portrayed to all creation one of the biggest hipocrosys ever to be witnessed when the supposed teachers of Jesus--prayed to the same God on both sides, while they were blowing each others heads off--that right there alone proves 100%--They do not know Jesus. And vica versa.

Hypocrisy? There were approximately 25-30,000 Jehovah Witnesses in Germany when Hitler came to power.Only 5,000 went into the camps. The rest went along with the flow, a fact even your Organization admits.

Actually God left the door open to Israel--they need but do verse 39 here at Matt 23:37-39--they have outright refused for over 1900 years.

God has left the door open for anyone who wishes to receive him, not just Israel.

Spiritual Israel is spoken of in Revelation. Not Literal Israel.

Somehow I get the impression that if God wanted to say "Jehovah Witnesses" he wouldn't have said "Israel". And he sure wouldn't have put the stamp of approval on an Organization that would insert a lie into the mouth of God.

Wasn't it your Organization that had "The Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away" plasted on the masthead of the Awake! magazine?

The fact they let even 1 young catholic kill for him proves they do not know Jesus. But to stand on both sides praying to the same god while the young men blew each others heads off is one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation. There are catholics in all of the countries involved.

Then by your own mouth, you condemn your Organization.

Jehovah Witnesses have killed before, specifically a law enforcement officer who was attempting to enforce the Selective Service Act. In fact, they got in a big shootout with law enforcement, killed a deputy, fled into the countryside, got involved in another shootout, got away by burning trees and nearby scrub pine, and didn't surrender to authorities until a week or so later.

The real teachers of Jesus knew to warn the young men--NEVER stand against each other on the orders of wicked men. Jesus would not ever allow it.

My, my, your Organization really excels at self-righteousness, don't they? Didn't they ever tell you about the Cleburne County Draft War in Ministry School? Or is it something they forgot? I don't see how, since this war was one of the largest, most violent anti-war conscription resistance efforts during the World War 1 era.

I heartily recommend we remove the plank from our own eye, before offering to remove the plank from our brother. I would also recommend you put down the Watchtower literature and study history a bit on your own.

 

[kjw47]

Yes, anyone who wishes to stand above humanity will ultimately divide peoples.

Jehovah sent Jesus to bring the human family together-- He is above humanity.

 

[kjw47]

What did they correct? Did they ever apologize to all the people who they led to believe the end would come in 1975?

That has 0 to do with you or anyone who wasn't apart of it. Correction is the only apology needed. Just like true repentence = correcting ones error.
They corrected who the true God actually is--yet 2 billion are still duped into worshipping a non existent trinity god, which means they break Gods #1 commandment daily= a worker of iniquity--Jesus does not know them-Matt 7:21-23

 

[kjw47]

"Therefore, on June 25, 1933, a declaration regarding their ministry and its objectives was adopted by Jehovah's Witnesses at an assembly in Berlin. Copies were sent to all the high government officials, and millions more were distributed to the public. Nevertheless, in July 1933 the courts refused to grant a hearing for relief. Early the following year, a personal letter regarding the situation was written by J. F. Rutherford to Adolf Hitler and delivered to him by special messenger. Then the entire worldwide brotherhood went into action.

On Sunday morning, October 7, 1934, at nine o'clock, every group of Witnesses in Germany assembled. They prayed for Jehovah's guidance and blessing. Then each group sent a letter to German government officials declaring their firm determination to keep on serving Jehovah." - Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimer's Of God's Kingdom p.693.........

Letter to Hitler
Russell, founder of the Watchtower, was a Zionist and sympathetic to Jews as part of modern day fulfilment of Bible prophecy. Rutherford initially continued such support, but changed by the 1930's to a bigoted, anti-Semitic stance.

"Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position" The Golden Age 1927 Feb 23 p.343"The Jews were evicted from Palestine and ‘their house left unto them desolate’ because they rejected Christ Jesus, the beloved and anointed King of Jehovah. To this day the Jews have not repented of this wrongful act committed by their forefathers. … In 1917 the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors. ... The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved." Vindication - Book II (1932) pp.257-258

Yes I agree the JW,s made errors--saw them--corrected them--the others saw their own errors--never corrected them. They continued to kill for adolf Hitler. kill their own brothers in Christ standing on the other side--proves 100% --they do not know Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

Well, if your Organization is teaching you this, they're in dreamland. There were no Israelites in Germany during World War 2 because Israel didn't exist then. There were plenty of Jews, though.

The idea that Jews were going around Germany "exposing the Trinity" is nonsense.

Are you getting this stuff from the same "teachers" who taught 1925???



Blacks were "tarred and feathered" too. Was this ordered by Catholic clergy?

And what of the Catholic clergy, like John Baptist, who were "tarred and feathered"?

I think your "tarring and feathering" were caused by mobs, not by order of Catholic clergy. There was plenty of that nonsense going on back then. I see no need to compound religious bigotry with more religious bigotry, do you?



I think Savagewind answered this rather nicely.

Your Organization was eager to reach its own concordance with Hitler and didn't mind throwing the Jews under the bus while it did so.

Can't wait to see your response.



Hypocrisy? There were approximately 25-30,000 Jehovah Witnesses in Germany when Hitler came to power.Only 5,000 went into the camps. The rest went along with the flow, a fact even your Organization admits.



God has left the door open for anyone who wishes to receive him, not just Israel.



Somehow I get the impression that if God wanted to say "Jehovah Witnesses" he wouldn't have said "Israel". And he sure wouldn't have put the stamp of approval on an Organization that would insert a lie into the mouth of God.

Wasn't it your Organization that had "The Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away" plasted on the masthead of the Awake! magazine?



Then by your own mouth, you condemn your Organization.

Jehovah Witnesses have killed before, specifically a law enforcement officer who was attempting to enforce the Selective Service Act. In fact, they got in a big shootout with law enforcement, killed a deputy, fled into the countryside, got involved in another shootout, got away by burning trees and nearby scrub pine, and didn't surrender to authorities until a week or so later.



My, my, your Organization really excels at self-righteousness, don't they? Didn't they ever tell you about the Cleburne County Draft War in Ministry School? Or is it something they forgot? I don't see how, since this war was one of the largest, most violent anti-war conscription resistance efforts during the World War 1 era.

I heartily recommend we remove the plank from our own eye, before offering to remove the plank from our brother. I would also recommend you put down the Watchtower literature and study history a bit on your own.

Jehovah will show all very soon who is who.

 

[kjw47]

Well, if your Organization is teaching you this, they're in dreamland. There were no Israelites in Germany during World War 2 because Israel didn't exist then. There were plenty of Jews, though.

The idea that Jews were going around Germany "exposing the Trinity" is nonsense.

Are you getting this stuff from the same "teachers" who taught 1925???



Blacks were "tarred and feathered" too. Was this ordered by Catholic clergy?

And what of the Catholic clergy, like John Baptist, who were "tarred and feathered"?

I think your "tarring and feathering" were caused by mobs, not by order of Catholic clergy. There was plenty of that nonsense going on back then. I see no need to compound religious bigotry with more religious bigotry, do you?



I think Savagewind answered this rather nicely.

Your Organization was eager to reach its own concordance with Hitler and didn't mind throwing the Jews under the bus while it did so.

Can't wait to see your response.



Hypocrisy? There were approximately 25-30,000 Jehovah Witnesses in Germany when Hitler came to power.Only 5,000 went into the camps. The rest went along with the flow, a fact even your Organization admits.



God has left the door open for anyone who wishes to receive him, not just Israel.



Somehow I get the impression that if God wanted to say "Jehovah Witnesses" he wouldn't have said "Israel". And he sure wouldn't have put the stamp of approval on an Organization that would insert a lie into the mouth of God.

Wasn't it your Organization that had "The Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away" plasted on the masthead of the Awake! magazine?



Then by your own mouth, you condemn your Organization.

Jehovah Witnesses have killed before, specifically a law enforcement officer who was attempting to enforce the Selective Service Act. In fact, they got in a big shootout with law enforcement, killed a deputy, fled into the countryside, got involved in another shootout, got away by burning trees and nearby scrub pine, and didn't surrender to authorities until a week or so later.



My, my, your Organization really excels at self-righteousness, don't they? Didn't they ever tell you about the Cleburne County Draft War in Ministry School? Or is it something they forgot? I don't see how, since this war was one of the largest, most violent anti-war conscription resistance efforts during the World War 1 era.

I heartily recommend we remove the plank from our own eye, before offering to remove the plank from our brother. I would also recommend you put down the Watchtower literature and study history a bit on your own.

They have removed that plank. There was still much confusion back in those days--it took many years to undo all the false things that entered the prior 1650 years give or take--they only had error filled trinity translation to use back then.

 

[savagewind]

Jehovah sent Jesus to bring the human family together-- He is above humanity.

I know you know that Jesus is for God's will be done. He did not wish to stand above humanity and he became one of us, so no, you can't prove he put himself above humanity like some people do.