Misquote in the Gospel

[savagewind]

They corrected who the true God actually is--

I am sure you can't see the irony there. Am I right?

 

[Oeste]

That has 0 to do with you or anyone who wasn't apart of it. Correction is the only apology needed. Just like true repentence = correcting ones error.

So when then Nazis herded the Jews into the gas chambers, they were in sin when they turned the gas on, but as soon as they “correct” their behavior by turning the gas off, they’ve repented?

And when the next group comes in, they sin when they turned the gas back on (being fallible humans and all) but as soon as they correct their behavior by turning it back off they have once more “repented”?

Are you making this up as you go along kjw or do they really teach this stuff in your Kingdom Halls???

They have removed that plank. There was still much confusion back in those days--it took many years to undo all the false things that entered the prior 1650 years give or take--they only had error filled trinity translation to use back then.

I see.

So the Jehovah Witnesses announced false dates and killed a Sheriff's deputy due to an "error-filled trinity translation", and once they had "corrected" this "error-filled trinity translation" they considered themselves "repentant" of their earlier sins?

No disrespect kjw, but are you really a Jehovah Witness? It just sounds to me like you're making this up as you go along. Perhaps you have a supporting article? Scripture??

Also, I have to ask, though I may regret doing so. Were all Jehovah Witnesses, prior to the production of the New World Translation in sin? In other words, did the publication of the New World Translation mean that Jehovah Witnesses prior to 1950 had not repented? Or did the publication of the NWT mean repentance for all past and future Jehovah Witnesses?

 

[Kenny]

I particularly like this misquote from the gospel
it regards John the Baptist

Luke 3:4
"As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
'A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him''.

So the gospel scholars make a strong distinction that it was John proclaiming 'in the desert' then quotes.
Here is the actual Isaiah quote.....
Isaiah 40:3
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the Lord;
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

As you can see, they misquoted between 'in the desert' and 'prepare the way of our Lord'.
they moved the break of exclamation

So it is not, a voice of one calling in the desert: 'prepare the way'

it is, a voice of one calling: 'in the desert prepare the way'
the prophet wasn't in the desert, the highway of the Lord was.

I don't know why they haven't fixed that typo after all these years?

Is 40:3 The voice of him that cries in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (Jubilee 2000)

There is no punctuation in the Hebrew or the Greek.

 

[kjw47]

I know you know that Jesus is for God's will be done. He did not wish to stand above humanity and he became one of us, so no, you can't prove he put himself above humanity like some people do.

I didn't say he put himself above humanity--- reality says Jesus is above humanity.

 

[kjw47]

I am sure you can't see the irony there. Am I right?

No irony-- 2 billion are still being duped by ear ticklers into worshipping a non existent trinity god. Misleading them into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

 

[kjw47]

So when then Nazis herded the Jews into the gas chambers, they were in sin when they turned the gas on, but as soon as they “correct” their behavior by turning the gas off, they’ve repented?

And when the next group comes in, they sin when they turned the gas back on (being fallible humans and all) but as soon as they correct their behavior by turning it back off they have once more “repented”?

Are you making this up as you go along kjw or do they really teach this stuff in your Kingdom Halls???



I see.

So the Jehovah Witnesses announced false dates and killed a Sheriff's deputy due to an "error-filled trinity translation", and once they had "corrected" this "error-filled trinity translation" they considered themselves "repentant" of their earlier sins?

No disrespect kjw, but are you really a Jehovah Witness? It just sounds to me like you're making this up as you go along. Perhaps you have a supporting article? Scripture??

Also, I have to ask, though I may regret doing so. Were all Jehovah Witnesses, prior to the production of the New World Translation in sin? In other words, did the publication of the New World Translation mean that Jehovah Witnesses prior to 1950 had not repented? Or did the publication of the NWT mean repentance for all past and future Jehovah Witnesses?

Weighing errors with words against error of murdering 6 million human beings isnt even close.
They were given the opportunity to repent or died and paid their wages of sin in full.
Taking human lives is another story.

 

[savagewind]

I didn't say he put himself above humanity--- reality says Jesus is above humanity.

Jesus is the man. He was resurrected and was given authority so he became above mankind.....but his name isn't Jesus, so the reality is that JESUS was not above humanity.

Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

Revelation 3:12

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself

Revelation 19:12

If Jesus was above humanity, then his death would not have matched Adam's death, like the Jehovah's Witnesses teach it.

 

[Oeste]

Weighing errors with words against error of murdering 6 million human beings isnt even close.

Your answer makes no sense. Can you elaborate more, or make your answers more specific, and perhaps a bit more coherent? Is it too much to expect that answers will actually address the questions asked? Or do they teach deflection in your ministry school?

Surely the exclusive holders of biblical truth from God's only approved earthly Organization are armored better than this!

Look, let's pretend we're in bible study because that's exactly where we are here. You're the teacher, and I am the student. You have access to the "truth" and all I have is a "mistranslated Trinity bible" at my disposal.

You've just told us that "repentance = correction", remember?

So I asked you "Does that mean if I turn on the gas to kill someone, then correct my behavior by turning it off, have I repented?"

What would your reply be? You started your reply by saying "Weighing errors with words..." which tells me that there is some error with the answer you gave me before. Is this correct? If not, what exactly are you trying to say???

You next conflate your answer with the murder of 6 million Jews by the Nazis. Can you explain this? Whose erroneous words led to the 6 million deaths? The Nazi's propaganda? The Watchtower's letter throwing Jews under the bus? The Deutsche Christen? The Bekennende Kirche? Or are you referring to the vast majority of Jehovah Witnesses who ended up marching with the Reich?

They were given the opportunity to repent or died and paid their wages of sin in full.

Who, in your mind are "They"??

Nazis? Christians? Atheists? The folks in the gas chambers? The clergy in the concentration camps? Germans? Italians? The Allies???

Also, who gave them the opportunity to repent or not die? Would "they", whoever "they" are, still be alive today if "they" had simply ignored Nazi extermination efforts? Or would they have died anyway??

Taking human lives is another story.

Then can you finally explain why the gang of Jehovah Witnesses killed the sheriff's deputy, keeping in mind your earlier comment that even 1 Catholic killing somebody means they don't know Jesus? Or will this be another question you sidestep and forget to answer?

 

[savagewind]

I didn't say he put himself above humanity--- reality says Jesus is above humanity.

The Truth is that "Jesus" is NOT above humanity. You might say that the one called Jesus is now above humanity, but to be saying that Jesus is above humanity is not true. Are you going to repent?

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 Jesus died. Correct? According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus was an angel called Michael before he became Jesus and when he died and was resurrected, he received a new name so that saying, "all authority was given to Jesus" isn't true. It is written that all authority was given to the resurrected Jesus and we do not know his name.

The Jehovah's Witnesses' reasoning from the scriptures leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[savagewind]

Oh? What difference does it make?

Jesus is dead so if Jesus was the one who received the authority then nobody has it.

Anyway, it seems obvious that nobody has it.

 

[Kenny]

No irony-- 2 billion are still being duped by ear ticklers into worshipping a non existent trinity god. Misleading them into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

I think you are misled

 

[savagewind]

I think you are misled

But the governing body of JWs is promising them the Earth (sort of).

It's a giant carrot. Get that carrot!

 

[Kenny]

But the governing body of JWs is promising them the Earth (sort of).

It's a giant carrot. Get that carrot!

That's according to their new book (as age goes) -- I would tend to let God decide what He is going to do with the earth.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus is the man. He was resurrected and was given authority so he became above mankind.....but his name isn't Jesus, so the reality is that JESUS was not above humanity.

Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

Revelation 3:12

12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself

Revelation 19:12

If Jesus was above humanity, then his death would not have matched Adam's death, like the Jehovah's Witnesses teach it.

While on earth, Jesus was made lower than the angels= mortal--yet sinless which made him above mankind. Gods power going through him( Acts 2:22)-- made him above mankind.

Reality= A sinless mortal( Adam) rebelled and sinned--justice applied( deut 32:4) a sinless mortal lived a sinless existence, yet paid in full the wages of sin he did not owe( ransom sacrifice)

 

[kjw47]

Your answer makes no sense. Can you elaborate more, or make your answers more specific, and perhaps a bit more coherent? Is it too much to expect that answers will actually address the questions asked? Or do they teach deflection in your ministry school?

Surely the exclusive holders of biblical truth from God's only approved earthly Organization are armored better than this!

Look, let's pretend we're in bible study because that's exactly where we are here. You're the teacher, and I am the student. You have access to the "truth" and all I have is a "mistranslated Trinity bible" at my disposal.

You've just told us that "repentance = correction", remember?

So I asked you "Does that mean if I turn on the gas to kill someone, then correct my behavior by turning it off, have I repented?"

What would your reply be? You started your reply by saying "Weighing errors with words..." which tells me that there is some error with the answer you gave me before. Is this correct? If not, what exactly are you trying to say???

You next conflate your answer with the murder of 6 million Jews by the Nazis. Can you explain this? Whose erroneous words led to the 6 million deaths? The Nazi's propaganda? The Watchtower's letter throwing Jews under the bus? The Deutsche Christen? The Bekennende Kirche? Or are you referring to the vast majority of Jehovah Witnesses who ended up marching with the Reich?



Who, in your mind are "They"??

Nazis? Christians? Atheists? The folks in the gas chambers? The clergy in the concentration camps? Germans? Italians? The Allies???

Also, who gave them the opportunity to repent or not die? Would "they", whoever "they" are, still be alive today if "they" had simply ignored Nazi extermination efforts? Or would they have died anyway??


Then can you finally explain why the gang of Jehovah Witnesses killed the sheriff's deputy, keeping in mind your earlier comment that even 1 Catholic killing somebody means they don't know Jesus? Or will this be another question you sidestep and forget to answer?

Errors with words--then correction

murdering 6 million human beings-- never can be undone by the one who caused it.

if you killed that one with the gas--it cannot be undone by you.

Catholicism backed Hitler to the hilt--voted him into power, then killed the members of their own religion in every Christian land Hitler attacked. for him--they hated the servants of Jehovah who were exposing their falseness to the world. I believe it was payback from Hitler to Catholicism to do away with their enemies.

 

[kjw47]

The Truth is that "Jesus" is NOT above humanity. You might say that the one called Jesus is now above humanity, but to be saying that Jesus is above humanity is not true. Are you going to repent?

He lived a sinless existence--the only mortal ever to accomplish that out of billions--he is far above mortals.

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 Jesus died. Correct? According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus was an angel called Michael before he became Jesus and when he died and was resurrected, he received a new name so that saying, "all authority was given to Jesus" isn't true. It is written that all authority was given to the resurrected Jesus and we do not know his name.

The Jehovah's Witnesses' reasoning from the scriptures leaves a lot to be desired.

You are just twisting what is truth.

 

[kjw47]

I think you are misled

The teachings of Jesus prove I am correct. Just as they prove the JW teachers are correct--It is very wise to learn what Jesus taught. I attended different trinity religions in my day--they do NOT teach what Jesus taught. They teach the schools of mens religious dogma.

 

[savagewind]

He lived a sinless existence--the only mortal ever to accomplish that out of billions--he is far above mortals.

Are you saying that Jesus wasn't a mortal man?