Mississippi Governor Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month

[Ignatius A]

^^ This is the divisive stuff we're all talking about. ^^

And once again you talk past me and go on about some stereotypical rant about your idea of "leftists" instead of engaging with things I've actually said to you.

The problem seems to be that you're unable to engage in discussion one-on-one without wearing giant divisive political blinders. You don't see people - you see "leftists." Well, I ain't Hillary Clinton, and she ain't here. Go take up your problems with her ... with her. I'd prefer to have a discussion with someone who's actually engaging with what I'm actually saying.

Ah yes it's never a leftists problem. Someone else always to blame.

 

[Ignatius A]

You actually don't bother me at all. I very much don't know who you are, enough to be bothered or not.

Oh course I dont

"Oh thank Gods. Please leave then.."

 

[Ignatius A]

The Civil War was about states' right to keep slavery legal.

How do you think slavery was "what's best for their own citizens"?

Again you read half of what I wrote. Did you get tired?

 

[Revoltingest]

I never liked the "state's rights" angle, because then the inevitable question that follows is "state's rights to do what, exactly?"

That's limited by the Constitution, & SCOTUS
recognition of "incorporated rights" from the
Bill Of Rights.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

According to Wikipedia (Confederate History Month), the first Confederate Heritage Month in Mississippi was in 1993, and it is the only state to officially declare April as Confederate Heritage Month in 2022, 2023, and 2024. Six other southern states have apparently designated April as Confederate History Month (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, and Virginia). Four states—Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, and South Carolina—still celebrate Confederate Memorial Day. Honestly, I'm not keen on celebrating the Confederacy, but I've personally known and met some WASP southerns who are.

 

[The Hammer]

Oh course I dont

"Oh thank Gods. Please leave then.."

Yeah. It was in response to your comment.

I can't with you people

Then don't. You're free to leave. No one here is keeping you against your will.

If you still think that means I'm bothered. Well that's a you problem. Not me.

 

[The Hammer]

Ah yes it's never a leftists problem. Someone else always to blame.

The psychological projection is astounding here.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Correct. Same sex "marriage" is like a marriage in the same way a bicycle is a motorcycle. As to gender there's two genders. Everything else is an anomaly.

If by answered you mean not answered then yes.

I'm talking about actual day to day survival like when people in the "wrong" groups speak out and say things that people in the correct group dont like. The people in the correct group feel completely justified in ruining the lives of people in the wrong groups when they speak up.

This is where you and I part ways in this discussion because I wholeheartedly support LGBTQ+ civil and human rights, as well as same-sex marriage.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Honestly, I'm not keen on celebrating the Confederacy, but I've personally known and met some WASP southerns who are.

The wildest thing to me was the military bases named after Confederate generals. I'm glad your country finally fixed that.

I can't think of any other country that would ever even consider naming their army bases after people whose main claim to fame was taking up arms against their country.

It would be like naming a navy installation Naval Station Osama bin Laden. It boggles the mind.

 

[Secret Chief]

Correct. Same sex "marriage" is like a marriage in the same way a bicycle is a motorcycle. As to gender there's two genders. Everything else is an anomaly.

If by answered you mean not answered then yes.

I'm talking about actual day to day survival like when people in the "wrong" groups speak out and say things that people in the correct group dont like. The people in the correct group feel completely justified in ruining the lives of people in the wrong groups when they speak up.

@Ignatius A

Ok. And what is your answer to me regarding:

Do you only care about things that affect you? Do you not care about others in society, who may be different from you, who may be negatively impacted by things that don't affect you?

 

[Soandso]

To do whats best for their own citizens. Your point is well taken though that a state shouldn't be able to infringe on the rights of citizens outlined in the Constitution. The problem is the feds have far over reached their authority.

Are we still talking about why the south left the union?

 

[Kathryn]

It was mostly over states rights but slavery was definitely a factor as free and slave states bickered for political clout.

Have you read the Articles of Secession or Confederation in full?

I never liked the "state's rights" angle, because then the inevitable question that follows is "state's rights to do what, exactly?"

State's right to own slaves.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Have you read the Articles of Secession or Confederation in full?


State's right to own slaves.

I found it to be a bit more complicated when I researched the history.

It really was about states rights, but I discovered slavery was also a central issue used in fighting for states rights as slave states didn't want a minority voice in federal government when making policies as free states would outnumber slave states, where in the past it was more an equal voice between free and slave states from my understanding in driving federal policymaking.

It was really all about having political power on the federal level.

 

[fantome profane]

It really was about states rights, but I discovered slavery was also a central issue used in fighting for states rights as slave states didn't want a minority voice in federal government when making policies as free states would outnumber slave states, where in the past it was more an equal voice between free and slave states from my understanding in driving federal policymaking.

Of course if they would have simply freed the slaves and given them full rights as citizens, then those states would have had a much greater voice in federal government.

But obviously they couldn't do that.

 

[Viker]

I'm just waiting for the Support Your Local Slave Owner or a national slavery day. Might as well. How about a KKK appreciation day? They're all about as relevant to one another.

 

[Viker]

And for his next creation....
Benedict Arnold Day

Heck yeah! We should all wear red coats on that day.

 

[Kathryn]

I found it to be a bit more complicated when I researched the history.

It really was about states rights, but I discovered slavery was also a central issue used in fighting for states rights as slave states didn't want a minority voice in federal government when making policies as free states would outnumber slave states, where in the past it was more an equal voice between free and slave states from my understanding in driving federal policymaking.

It was really all about having political power on the federal level.

Well, now, don't be disingenuous - that's not all it was about.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, now, don't be disingenuous - that's not all it was about.

Well both reasons are valid with the issue being both states rights and slavery simultaneously.

 

[Kathryn]

Well both reasons are valid with the issue being both states rights and slavery simultaneously.

OK if you insist. But the states did not consider African Americans to be fully people. Horrible.

 

[Viker]

I have both Confederate and Union ancestors and I don't see the problem actually.

I have ancestors who were slaves and sort of do. I do have ancestors who fought on both sides, mostly the Union. I'm going to always sympathize with the ones who were in chains at the time and remember those who fought against the Confederacy.