Mississippi Governor Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month

[Guitar's Cry]

So whats the problem? You dont like it? If not try to muster up an.argument and tell us why.

I don't like it. Here's why:

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun."

This is from the Mississippi Articles of Secession.

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession

avalon.law.yale.edu

It further states that the United States "...advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

So when they celebrate "heritage" of the Confederacy, this is what their "position is fully identified with."

 

[fantome profane]

I think it's the tradition of southern heritage and not the hate that is being celebrated.

The pure and beautiful southern way of life.

 

[Stevicus]

Are you ******* kidding me?!

Reeves Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month in Mississippi

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves declared April 2024 as Confederate Heritage Month in Mississippi, keeping alive a tradition that began in 1993.

www.mississippifreepress.org

It's not surprising, as there's always been a certain sentimentality regarding the Old South. Of course, apart from everything else mentioned in this thread, reducing centuries of history to a mere four-year interregnum called the "Confederacy" and claiming a "heritage" from that does seem rather odd. On the other hand, the Civil War did end nearly 160 years ago, and I don't think we want to refight it.

An interesting sidenote about Civil War history is that, for the most part, most of the attention was on the Eastern Theater, namely the engagements between Lee's Army of Northern Virginia and the Union's Army of the Potomac. The ANV still lost, but they still managed to keep the Yankees at bay for quite some time. However, in the Western Theater, Mississippi lost. It can be argued that, when Vicksburg fell and the Mississippi River was lost, that spelled the end of the Confederacy. They should have just surrendered right then and there, but it took Sherman's March to the Sea and further bloody defeats in Virginia before they would finally realize it was all over. (They were probably hoping that Lincoln would get voted out in 1864, at which point they could make a peace deal.)

What would "Confederate Heritage" refer to anyway? Corn pone and grits? The Confederate government? The Confederate Military? The philosophy behind a plantation economy which depends upon a single commodity for export while importing all manufactured goods from elsewhere?

General Sherman summed up their faults on the eve of war:

"You, you the people of the South, believe there can be such a thing as peaceable secession. You don't know what you are doing. I know there can be no such thing. ... If you will have it, the North must fight you for its own preservation. Yes, South Carolina has by this act precipitated war. ... This country will be drenched in blood. God only knows how it will end. Perhaps the liberties of the whole country, of every section and every man will be destroyed, and yet you know that within the Union no man's liberty or property in all the South is endangered. ... Oh, it is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization. ... You people speak so lightly of war. You don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing. I know you are a brave, fighting people, but for every day of actual fighting, there are months of marching, exposure and suffering. More men die in war from sickness than are killed in battle. At best war is a frightful loss of life and property, and worse still is the demoralization of the people. ...

"You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people, but an earnest people and will fight too, and they are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it.

"Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The Northern people not only greatly outnumber the whites at the South, but they are a mechanical people with manufactures of every kind, while you are only agriculturists--a sparse population covering a large extent of territory, and in all history no nation of mere agriculturists ever made successful war against a nation of mechanics. ...

"The North can make a steam-engine, locomotive or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical and determined people on earth--right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all els eyou are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with.

"At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, and shut out from the markets of Europe by blockade as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. ... if your people would but stop and think, they must see that in the end you will surely fail."

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Yes of course leftists are never devisive. They get up every morning seeking to do nothing but create unity.

Getting along with the angry MAGA right is impossible. They're like a rabid dog. You don't hold your hand out to such a creature. You try to find a way to avoid or contain it.

Humanists are peaceful people. They're tolerant and inclusive. This division is all the right's doing and has been going on since the early days of Gingrich and Limbaugh. We see the battle being waged in Trump's criminal trial as he uses thug tactics to try to intimidate jurors and witnesses and tries in vain to create an angry mob outside the courthouse as the judge tries to prevent Trump from inciting violence. Deplorable indeed.

Hilary Clinton was one of the best examples of a leftist politician working toward unity. I still remember her call to unity referring to people she disagreed with as "deplorable"

She more than disagreed with those people. She found them repulsive.

And she was correct. Look at who they serve and idolize. How do you describe a man who lies and grifts without restraint, has affairs with porn stars, incites an insurrection, steals and sequesters state secrets, conspires to corrupt elections and defraud voters, and who now sits in a courtroom nodding off and passing gas.

And how does one describe the people that support such a person? I'd say that deplorable is the appropriate word there as well: "Deplorable: deserving strong condemnation; shockingly bad in quality."

I'm tired of being nice to delusional leftists.

That's never happened. MAGA has never been nice to anybody. You haven't said a kind or friendly word here to anybody and are in conflict with multiple other posters.

Anyway, you've made a valuable contribution in this thread albeit not the one you might think you made. You've played the role of the angry MAGA Republican insulting people without provocation while complaining about them being uninterested in reaching out to you and calling you deplorable. What kind of response were you hoping for with that approach?

 

[Twilight Hue]

The pure and beautiful southern way of life.

 

[Ignatius A]

Getting along with the angry MAGA right is impossible. They're like a rabid dog. You don't hold your hand out to such a creature. You try to find a way to avoid or contain it.

Humanists are peaceful people. They're tolerant and inclusive. This division is all the right's doing and has been going on since the early days of Gingrich and Limbaugh. We see the battle being waged in Trump's criminal trial as he uses thug tactics to try to intimidate jurors and witnesses and tries in vain to create an angry mob outside the courthouse as the judge tries to prevent Trump from inciting violence. Deplorable indeed.

She more than disagreed with those people. She found them repulsive.

And she was correct. Look at who serve they idolize. How do you describe a man who lies and grifts without restraint, has affairs with porn stars, incites an insurrection, steals and sequesters state secrets, conspires to corrupt elections and defraud voters, and who now sits in a courtroom nodding off and passing gas.

And how does one describe the people that support such a person? I'd say that deplorable is the appropriate word there as well: "Deplorable: deserving strong condemnation; shockingly bad in quality."

That's never happened. MAGA has never been nice to anybody. You haven't said a kind or friendly word here to anybody and are in conflict with multiple other posters.

Anyway, you've made a valuable contribution in this thread albeit not the one you might think you made. You've played the role of the angry MAGA Republican insulting people without provocation while complaining about them being uninterested in reaching out to you and calling you deplorable. What kind of response were you hoping for with that approach?

Leftists are incapable of independent thought. They are the least tolerant people on the planet and they have no desire to engage in self examination. Leftists are perpetually offended and they have the sense of humor of a constipated bear. .

 

[Ignatius A]

And the State should celebrate it?

If they want to. That's the effect of a supposedly free society. You aren't required to attend the celebration. If anyone is required to attend I would be vehemently opposed to that.

 

[Ignatius A]

I don't like it. Here's why:

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun."

This is from the Mississippi Articles of Secession.

Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession

avalon.law.yale.edu

It further states that the United States "...advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

So when they celebrate "heritage" of the Confederacy, this is what their "position is fully identified with."

Ok. You don't like it. Should they be prevented from doing it because you dont like it?

 

[Stevicus]

Here's a re-enactment which was interesting, from the 1993 movie Gettysburg.

"There are times when a Corps commander's life does not count." - General Hancock

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Leftists are incapable of independent thought. They are the least tolerant people on the planet and they have no desire to engage in self examination. Leftists are perpetually offended and they have the sense of humor of a constipated bear. .

I strongly disagree with your personal assessment of liberals. I disagree because, first, I'm a liberal and what you said doesn't even remotely describe me, and second, as I previously explained earlier in this thread (post #57), my years of experience with conservatives (MAGA in particular) are the most hateful and bigoted I have ever met. They are the ones who are intolerant, have no desire to engage in self-examination, and are perpetually offended. I would say that your last insult to liberals also applies to conservatives (MAGA in particular). Finally, I'm curious to know if you have had any personal interactions with liberals that led you to insult them in the way you do. Why do you dislike liberals so much? I feel justified in my feelings toward conservatives (MAGA, in particular) because I've had many years of negative interactions with them that led me to strongly dislike them, as I explained in the following post.

The Endless Non-Stop Support Of Trump

Trump is seen as a savior by fools, bigots, & Christian nationalists. You forgot racists. :)

www.religiousforums.com

 

[Ignatius A]

I strongly disagree with your personal assessment of liberals. I disagree because, first, I'm a liberal and what you said doesn't even remotely describe me, and second, as I previously explained earlier in this thread (post #57), my years of experience with conservatives (MAGA in particular) are the most hateful and bigoted I have ever met. They are the ones who are intolerant, have no desire to engage in self-examination, and are perpetually offended. I would say that your last insult to liberals also applies to conservatives (MAGA in particular). Finally, I'm curious to know if you've had any personal interactions with liberals that led you to insult them in the way you do. I feel justified in my feelings toward conservatives (MAGA, in particular) because I've had many years of negative interactions with them that led me to strongly dislike them, as I explained in the following post.

The Endless Non-Stop Support Of Trump

Trump is seen as a savior by fools, bigots, & Christian nationalists. You forgot racists. :)

www.religiousforums.com

So your personal experience means something is true but no one else's. Another reason why leftists dont impress me.

Do you know that I havent walked away from one friendship because the person was a Biden supporter but I have lost a number of "friends" because of my support for trump. I admit it's not all my Democrat friends but I've never dropped a friendship over politics but libs have.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

So your personal experience means something is true but no one else's. Another reason why leftists dont impress me.

No, that is certainly not what I meant to say. I apologize if you interpreted it that way. I'm only trying to understand your personal viewpoint.

Do you know that I havent walked away from one friendship because the person was a Biden supporter but I have lost a number of "friends" because of my support for trump. I admit it's not all my Democrat friends but I've never dropped a friendship over politics but libs have.

Of course, I didn't know that, which is why I asked. I am truly sorry that happened to you.

I understand how you feel, except my conservative relatives and "friends" stabbed me in the back for not supporting Trump.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Leftists are incapable of independent thought. They are the least tolerant people on the planet and they have no desire to engage in self examination. Leftists are perpetually offended and they have the sense of humor of a constipated bear. .

This is Trumpian-level projection. This is exactly how I describe MAGA.

Do you know that I havent walked away from one friendship because the person was a Biden supporter but I have lost a number of "friends" because of my support for trump.

You would have no reason to reject the friendship of a Biden supporter if he offers it to you. They're typically like Biden - kind, gentle informed, civic-minded, and pro-Constitution. What's not to like?

The same is not true in reverse. Being pro-Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't welcome deplorable people into my life.

 

[Ignatius A]

No, that is certainly not what I meant to say. I apologize if you interpreted it that way. I'm only trying to understand your personal viewpoint.



Of course, I didn't know that, which is why I asked. I am truly sorry that happened to you.

I understand how you feel, except my conservative relatives and "friends" stabbed me in the back for not supporting Trump.

Thanks for that.

Sounds like what we need to find what things we agree on.

 

[Ignatius A]

This is Trumpian-level projection. This is exactly how I describe MAGA.

You would have no reason to reject the friendship of a Biden supporter if he offers it to you. They're typically like Biden - kind, gentle informed, civic-minded, and pro-Constitution. What's not to like?

The same is not true in reverse. Being pro-Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't welcome deplorable people into my life.

I didn't say I rejected biden supporters. You really need to keep up

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The same is not true in reverse. Being pro-Trump is a litmus test for me. I don't welcome deplorable people into my life.

I realize this wasn't intended for me, but I'd like to comment on it. I tried to reason with my conservative relatives and friends who turned against me before I felt like I had no choice but to cut them out of my life and become estranged from them. The thought of losing them used to uspet me, but I finally realized that I'm far better off without these toxic relationships in my life. There was more going on between myself and my family at the time, which I believe contributed to our estrangement, but the way they treated me because I didn't support Trump was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ah yes it's never a leftists problem. Someone else always to blame.

Judging from our interactions in this thread, it sounds like a you problem.

Let me know when you're able to engage in back and forth conversation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Leftists are incapable of independent thought. They are the least tolerant people on the planet and they have no desire to engage in self examination. Leftists are perpetually offended and they have the sense of humor of a constipated bear. .

And yet here we are calmly exercising independent thought while you regurgitate canned political talking points at us, while trying to write off an entire population of people.

Do you know what psychological projection is?

 

[Ignatius A]

Judging from our interactions in this thread, it sounds like a you problem.

Let me know when you're able to engage in back and forth conversation.

Again your assuming your judgement is good.

I'm able now I just don't follow your rules. You aren't being forced to reply to me are you?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

And yet here we are calmly exercising independent thought while you regurgitate canned political talking points at us, while trying to write off an entire population of people.

Do you know what psychological projection is?

FWIW, I agree with you and the others who have pointed out this bad behavior. In my experience, MAGA Christians (and most conservatives in general) normally react angrily, rudely, and irrationally to liberals or to anyone else who disagrees with their political and religious beliefs. I'll admit that there are occasions when I get too angry over some of the posts I read, but that's when I realize I need to step away and take a break from the forum for a while.