Missouri Republicans Introduce Bills to Charge Women Who Receive Abortions With Murder

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Meanwhile ...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs/index.html

Infant mortality rate increases for first time in 20 years, up 8% in Texas

The rate showed a statistically significant increase in four states, including Texas, where there were 8% more deaths in 2022 than there were in 2021, per the CDC report.

www.kxan.com

Texas Is One of Four States With Increasing Infant Mortality. This Local Organization Is Fighting Back

The Parkland Center for Clinical Innovation's Preterm Birth Intervention Program is addressing the primary factor in infant mortality.

www.dmagazine.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/11/28/1215463289/texas-abortion-lawsuit-texas-supreme-court#:~:text=The%20case%2C%20brought%20by%20the,protect%20patients%20with%20complicated%20pregnancies.

Women denied abortions sue Texas to clarify exceptions to the laws

Five women announced a new lawsuit Tuesday, marking the first time patients directly affected by new abortion laws have sought to challenge them in court.

www.texastribune.org

None of these links say the cause is the abortion ban.

But it would make sense that more babies would be born that have defects etc. with the chance to live might die if born and not terminated. Abortions of children with defects that would not survive would never be born if they were aborted. But the overall children that live would be greatly increased because the majority of babies in the womb don't have defects that would kill them if born.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Sadly it seems not to be possible to have that without having legal abortions. It is almost always a package deal. Sex ed, contraception and women's health care go together while "abstinence only", no healthcare, no social programs and misogyny come together with illegal abortions.

Not with me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why? What is so great about more unwanted children?

You were an orphan, so would you rather you were aborted?

 

[Orbit]

It would be abortion providers that will be leaving not womens healthcare providers.

Those are the same thing.

 

[McBell]

Those are the same thing.

Not all Women's Health Care Providers offer abortions.

 

[fantome profane]

In my country the State monitors people's sex life

I use to do that.

But then I got arrested, and they put my name on a list.

 

[Orbit]

Not all Women's Health Care Providers offer abortions.

Uh, who do you think perform abortions? Hint: gynecologists.

 

[McBell]

Uh, who do you think perform abortions? Hint: gynecologists.

Gynecologists are performing abortions in Womens Health Provider Groups that do not offer abortion?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Human life is not killed.

Nonsense, we do it every bloody day. And in many U.S. States, it is done by order of the government itself.

 

[Orbit]

Gynecologists are performing abortions in Womens Health Provider Groups that do not offer abortion?

Sigh. Doesn't it go without saying that abortion is not legal everywhere? Therefore only gynecologists do it where it is legal. It is the only treatment for ectopic pregnancy, incomplete miscarriage, and fatal fetal abnormality. Abortion *is* women's health care.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Those are the same thing.

No. There are healthcare providers that do not do abortions and if Planned Parenthood and the like won't stay in Texas because they cannot do abortions on demand then that says something about how much they care about women's health.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Nonsense, we do it every bloody day. And in many U.S. States, it is done by order of the government itself.

How is this relevant to my response? You asked me about what I thought, not what the government thinks.

 

[Orbit]

No. There are healthcare providers that do not do abortions and if Planned Parenthood and the like won't stay in Texas because they cannot do abortions on demand then that says something about how much they care about women's health.

Planned Parenthood was defunded. They didn't leave out of spite because they couldn't do abortions.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't oppose it in the cases of rape and risky pregnancy.
Didn't you read my post?
Re-read it, please.

I asked why.
Again....why?

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure, it matters with different murder charges. Charges for killing human life depends on how it is taken and the motivation behind the killing.

It is taking human life, so yeah it is murder. I have said I would punish the providers for murder and explained already why I would do this instead of the mother.

I still find it interesting that this is a situation
where someone can hire a killer, & suffer
no legal consequences. And do it again.

 

[Revoltingest]

Gianna Jessen survived a saline abortion. Seventh month of pregnancy.
Is that attempted murder or not?

Gianna Jessen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If she survived, it's not murder.
Duh!

 

[Heyo]

It would be abortion providers that will be leaving not womens healthcare providers.

Those are the same people.
And often enough abortion is women's healthcare. But the people who write the laws are too often inapt (or unwilling) to formulate exceptions in a way that healthcare providers don't have to fear to come in conflict with the law. (As has happened all over the place. See for example the case were a 10 year old rape victim had to go out-of-state to get an abortion.) Doctors are a pretty arrogant bunch, they don't need a state nanny to tell them what is healthcare and what is murder.

 

[Heyo]

Not with me.

You should run for office.

 

[tytlyf]

This is why the founding fathers left religion out of the constitution. This is a progressive, secular nation from the founding.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Planned Parenthood was defunded. They didn't leave out of spite because they couldn't do abortions.

Texas sued them because they took Medicaid payments they were not entitled to take. And they are still here in Texas.