Missouri Republicans Introduce Bills to Charge Women Who Receive Abortions With Murder

[SkepticThinker]

It would be abortion providers that will be leaving not womens healthcare providers.

Abortion providers are healthcare providers.

 

[Orbit]

How does this correlate to me not liking women? BTW, I think Mrs. Cox should have been allowed to have the abortion in Texas.

I found two of my quotes that you may have taken offense to:

In this quote I never said that was the reason they were leaving, I said IF it is the reason, then etc.


This is a question not a statement.

So where did I make the statement that doctors just want to do abortions?

Here are two places where you posted that.

"No. There are healthcare providers that do not do abortions and if Planned Parenthood and the like won't stay in Texas because they cannot do abortions on demand then that says something about how much they care about women's health."

and

"So this article says they have not left. Do these providers not want to take care of women if they cannot abort their babies?"

 

[SkepticThinker]

None of these links say the cause is the abortion ban.

Riiiight. I'm sure the abortion ban has only made it better and will decrease the infant mortality rate. For sure!

"Since the state banned nearly all abortions after the overturn of Roe v. Wade in June 2022, more and more women have come forward with stories of much-wanted pregnancies gone awry, and the ways the state’s abortion ban worsened their situation.

In October, The Texas Tribune documented the experiences of an East Texas woman who was forced to carry a nonviable pregnancy to term. Her twin sons, born conjoined with severe malformations, died just hours after they were born."

Judge says Texas woman may abort fetus with lethal abnormality

Kate Cox, 31, at 20 weeks pregnant, has learned her fetus has a lethal abnormality that is almost always fatal at birth.

www.texastribune.org

That doesn't sound very pro-life to me.

But it would make sense that more babies would be born that have defects etc. with the chance to live might die if born and not terminated. Abortions of children with defects that would not survive would never be born if they were aborted. But the overall children that live would be greatly increased because the majority of babies in the womb don't have defects that would kill them if born.

Who is going to take care of all these babies born with defects? You know, the ones who don't die agonizing deaths hours after birth like in the example above?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not all Women's Health Care Providers offer abortions.

That doesn't mean that those who do aren't providing healthcare.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No. There are healthcare providers that do not do abortions and if Planned Parenthood and the like won't stay in Texas because they cannot do abortions on demand then that says something about how much they care about women's health.

Who cares? Whether abortions are provided are not, it's still healthcare, regardless. Sheesh.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Abortion providers are healthcare providers.

If you say so sure.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you say so sure.

Of course they are. They provide care for a person's health.

I can't believe this is even a debate.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Here are two places where you posted that.

"No. There are healthcare providers that do not do abortions and if Planned Parenthood and the like won't stay in Texas because they cannot do abortions on demand then that says something about how much they care about women's health."

and

"So this article says they have not left. Do these providers not want to take care of women if they cannot abort their babies?"

I literally in my last post addressed these two comments. Did you not read my responses? Read post 140

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Riiiight. I'm sure the abortion ban has only made it better and will decrease the infant mortality rate. For sure!

"Since the state banned nearly all abortions after the overturn of Roe v. Wade in June 2022, more and more women have come forward with stories of much-wanted pregnancies gone awry, and the ways the state’s abortion ban worsened their situation.

In October, The Texas Tribune documented the experiences of an East Texas woman who was forced to carry a nonviable pregnancy to term. Her twin sons, born conjoined with severe malformations, died just hours after they were born."

Judge says Texas woman may abort fetus with lethal abnormality

Kate Cox, 31, at 20 weeks pregnant, has learned her fetus has a lethal abnormality that is almost always fatal at birth.

www.texastribune.org

That doesn't sound very pro-life to me.

Who is going to take care of all these babies born with defects? You know, the ones who don't die agonizing deaths hours after birth like in the example above?

I have said I think Mrs. Cox and people in similar situations should be allowed to have the abortion.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Who cares? Whether abortions are provided are not, it's still healthcare, regardless. Sheesh.

This was not the point of my comment at all. I never said they were not healthcare providers in my post.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Of course they are. They provide care for a person's health.

I can't believe this is even a debate.

I am not debating you on this issue. Call it health care I don't care, I do care that abortion kills human life.

 

[Orbit]

I am not debating you on this issue. Call it health care I don't care, I do care that abortion kills human life.

Is a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy human life? Your definition of abortion is incorrect. Abortion removes non-viable tissue from the woman's body, in order to preserve her health and ability to have future children. 10-25% of all pregnancies result in first-trimester miscarriages. This is not a rare thing, it is a common thing, and abortion is women's health care.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have said I think Mrs. Cox and people in similar situations should be allowed to have the abortion.

But only when she's about one breath away from death, right?

 

[SkepticThinker]

This was not the point of my comment at all. I never said they were not healthcare providers in my post.

You said, "If you say so sure."
As though you don't agree.

 

[crossfire]

Ok, 1 provider. I went to the Texas health Resources website and found 380 providers under Obstetrics and Gynecology from 1 - 30 miles from my work. I don't see the systemic problem you are claiming. The doctor my wife sees is prolife and 10 miles from our house.

I found this article: OB GYN residency trainees can't train in Texas

OB-GYN Residents Are Required to Receive Clinical Abortion Training. They Can’t Do That in Texas.

Abortion restrictions running in conflict with training requirements are pushing lifelong Texans to leave the state.

www.texasmonthly.com

 

[crossfire]

I have said I think Mrs. Cox and people in similar situations should be allowed to have the abortion.

It only takes one ignorant yahoo to file suit to seek a $10,000 reward.

 

[Heyo]

Is this what you have to believe? I have a wife, 2 daughters, a mother, sister, cousins and friends etc that are women. Of course I care about them. Do you actually think that a man being prolife means they don't care about women? What about my wife who is a woman and is prolife, does she hate women too?

This is just an emotional response that makes you feel better by deriding my character in my opinion.

I'm not sure what to believe about what people say about their beliefs when their actions seem to be in conflict with what they say are their beliefs. I usually apply Hanlon's Razor but that doesn't help here either.
Maybe we should separate what the real question is. There are two here which people seem to confuse. 1. Are you for or against abortion? 2. Are you for or against the laws that are now implemented or supposed?
I'm (and I think most of the pro-choicers here are) interested in the 2nd question.
Do we agree that almost all anti abortion laws introduced in several red states recently are massively flawed, either through stupidity or through malice?
Do you think that these laws should be/ should have been ratified even though they have (un-)wanted consequences such as forcing 10 year old rape victims out of state or nearly killing women who, by all medical standards, needed an abortion?
Do you put dogma over people's live and liberty?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Is a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy human life?

Yes, what else can it be? It is alive and it is human.

Your definition of abortion is incorrect. Abortion removes non-viable tissue from the woman's body, in order to preserve her health and ability to have future children.

Non viable tissue outside the woman's body. And most women have an abortion not to preserve their health but because they don't want a child.

10-25% of all pregnancies result in first-trimester miscarriages. This is not a rare thing, it is a common thing, and abortion is women's health care.

So what? People die of natural causes everyday, that does not give anyone the right to kill someone.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

But only when she's about one breath away from death, right?

Nope. Why do you lie about what I said? Anyone can read my thoughts on this case.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You said, "If you say so sure."
As though you don't agree.

I don't care what you call it. It does not matter to me. What matters is the actual result of abortion.