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Missouri Republicans vote 104-39 to reject open-carry amendment

We Never Know

No Slack
"Odds are" means absolutely nothing in terms of the law. A 17 year old is a child.


Don't son me.


Again, with the probabilities and dangerous assumption. At this point, following a 6 year old knowingly shooting their teacher and an Indiana toddler firing a loaded gun, it is not outside the realm of possibility that a child is going to carry around a dangerous weapon. And right now, thanks to 104 Republicans, there are zero repercussions should that child kill someone.

That you cannot provide a reason as to why this absolute psychotic mentality should persist, I can only assume that you're fine with it.

"At this point, following a 6 year old knowingly shooting their teacher and an Indiana toddler firing a loaded gun"

Are you claiming the parent gave the kid the gun?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I support gun rights. But I also support sane regulation of gun ownership and use. Supervision of minors seems reasonable.

I agree with supervision. Also I would like to see training in how to handle a gun with a test as well as training in how to distinguish say squirrels from dogs and people. Also supervision while still a minor and the parents legally liable for what a kid does.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The problem is that there are legitimate reasons for a minor to carry a gun. Assuming that hunting is legal in a state forest I do not see a problem with a child that has undergone at least a gun safety course with handling a firearm on his own.

Perhaps the bill should have had exculsions for hunting on state lands.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
So maybe you can then provide what should be a very easy answer. Why should it not be a legal requirement that said child then not be supervised by an adult?

Well, I agree that the child should be supervised by an adult. If the kid can't be by himself legally he shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun without adult supervision. But I didn't know that was part of the bill.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I agree with supervision. Also I would like to see training in how to handle a gun with a test as well as training in how to distinguish say squirrels from dogs and people. Also supervision while still a minor and the parents legally liable for what a kid does.
Squirrels are small and tasty and tend to live in trees. I think that I only shot one on the ground. People and dogs, not so much.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Well, I agree that the child should be supervised by an adult. If the kid can't be by himself legally he shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun without adult supervision. But I didn't know that was part of the bill.

Hey anyone actually know what this bill was called so I can look it up and know the legalise of it? I'm having trouble finding it.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Again? Are you sure you're not confusing me with another member?

Again, I invite you to re-read what I wrote regarding that example.

When I said "A 6 year old? Good god son don't be ignorant! Any sensible person/adult wouldn't turn a 6 year old out loose with a gun by theirself


You reply and bring up the 6 year old that shot his teacher which is grasping straws and has nothing to do with your OP.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So far hunting is all there is as a "legitimate" reason. The minimum for unsupervised hunting in Missouri is 11 years old. You really want 11 year olds running around in the woods with guns, unsupervised?

"You really want 11 year olds running around in the woods with guns, unsupervised?"

Millions do it and haven't done any mass shootings.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
When I said "A 6 year old? Good god son don't be ignorant! Any sensible person/adult wouldn't turn a 6 year old out loose with a gun by theirself
You reply and bring up the 6 year old that shot his teacher which is grasping straws and has nothing to do with your OP.
It has everything to do with it, as it is not outside the realm of possibility for some kid to be running around with a gun. Especially with your claim of:

Millions do it and haven't done any mass shootings.
However, statistics or citations needed. Because this year alone Missouri has two mass shootings so far, the 6th highest rate of gun violence in the nation, and so far 124 instances of gun violence that has been reported.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It has everything to do with it, as it is not outside the realm of possibility for some kid to be running around with a gun. Especially with your claim of:


However, statistics or citations needed. Because this year alone Missouri has two mass shootings so far, the 6th highest rate of gun violence in the nation, and so far 124 instances of gun violence that has been reported.

Again all I see is "I hate guns and nobody should have them. Ban guns so I will be happy"
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Again all I see is "I hate guns and nobody should have them. Ban guns so I will be happy"
Well we've already established that you're not reading things too closely, so that's not surprising. I'm still seeing a startling lack of reason as to why children don't need supervision when carrying a deadly weapon outside of incredulous scoffing in the face of evidence to the exact necessity of adult supervision and, at the very least, adult accountability of their reckless children.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Well we've already established that you're not reading things too closely, so that's not surprising. I'm still seeing a startling lack of reason as to why children don't need supervision when carrying a deadly weapon outside of incredulous scoffing in the face of evidence to the exact necessity of adult supervision and, at the very least, adult accountability of their reckless children.

We have already established you hate guns and don't want others to have them, that you think a 17 year old is the same as a 6 year old, and that you grasp at straws by bringing up a story where a 6 year old stole his parents gun as a comparison reply to
"Any sensible person/adult wouldn't turn a 6 year old out loose with a gun by theirself"

Fyi, with that 6 year old shooting...In that thread I said the parent should be charged
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
More scoffing and hand waiving. Be sure you're wearing a brace so you don't break your wrist waiving off so much. That you don't think a "sensible person" would allow this to happen does not change the facts linked above, and your indifferent attitude is directly indicative of a key factor in the problems that our nation faces with guns.
 
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