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Regarding the flood, you might find the following interesting:
Let me know what you think.
I doubt it but what do I know?Sarcasm?
Here's my previous response: DSM previous response
I must not be understanding your thinking. I always assumed that the law was considered the core teaching of Yahweh. Here's a short excerpt from Zechariah:
Then all who survive of the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Festival of Booths. If any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain upon them.
(Zechariah 14:16-17, NRSVue)[/quote\
The point is that I find it hard to believe that God would decide to starve people just because they don't observe the Festival of Booths. It seems to me that he would be much more concerned that the people of the world would follow the laws that he established.
Yes, I'm okay with the idea that there are multiple sides to every issue. But lawmakers in a democratic society are required to consider all sides when writing legislation to ensure that the result is actionable, but not draconian. That's why modern laws tend to have many clauses for special cases or unusual circumstances. Laws that lack such nuance aren't especially helpful in the modern world.
I did not say "choosing". I said "looking". Not clear. but yes for over fifty years of study on my part there is no question that the academic references die not "look" at and study all the scriptures.
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Looking at BOTH text-a AND text-b are required else it is conjecture at best. This is a very simple idea. Please let me know that you understand?
Assertion: "Text-A evolved from Text-B".
Question: "Do you have a copy of Text-B?"Answer: "No. I heard it from a credible source."
How is that accomplished accurately without looking at what is **actually** written in the text?
Yes. and all the scholars I have cited have studied them for many years going back to before either of us were born. You have failed to provide anything contrary to the sources I have cited to back up your objections.[/spoiler]
Do you have access to a copy of the "Babylonian Code of Hammurabi"?
Like everyone I 'think both objectively and subjectively.So you don't think subjectively?
My academic references do not depend on my errors in grammar. Your failure to respond to the references reveals your avoidance of the facts and your emphasis on the fallacy of judgement based on your annal view of grammar.P.S. Since you emphasize academic, why do you make so many grammatical errors? "idolatry requires judgements form different cultural perspectives", 1) "Other religious perspectives define the Roman Church use of imagery and struary as idolatry", 2) "Different religions and their variations like Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and the various Vedic beliefs called Hinduism (no verb)", 3) "I define the universal independent perspective is the universal is beyond any religious or cultural perspective".
Yes it is in the original version as part of the oldest written stories in the world. It is terribly unfortunate that many Christians believe the Pentateuch is a literal recorded history mostly by Moses.When it comes to the flood, it sure seems like something significant happened in that region, involving water. During that time, wouldn't it have been as if the entire earth was covered in water? Rather than just a region?
Anyway, it's a cool story.
Albert Einstein had No Understanding of the Bible. You should read and/or listen to Einstein's "God Letter".
Natural Men, such as, Albert Einstein and Baruch Spinoza cannot Understand the Bible. Karl Marx is another that didn't have a clue about the Bible.
The premise we now know is correct, and thanks.Small correction. Vesto Slipher measured the spectra of several nebulae in the 1920s. At that time there was much dispute as to whether the nebulae were inside the Milky Way or outside. He found that the spectra of the nebulae were shifted-- some toward the red and some toward the blue. When Hubble found out he interpreted Slipher's findings as being the result of a Doppler shift-- meaning that they were due to relative motion between observer and observed. Larger surveys showed that the majority of nebulae were shifted toward the red, and that led to the realization that the universe is expanding. I bring this up not to quibble with your thoughts but to give Mr. Slipher his due.
Which god? How does this god provide you with information? How do you know the information you have comes from any god(s)? How is faith a pathway to truth?You see, you rely on academic information; I rely on God. Your information "swells your head". I have faith that results in eternal life.
How do you know what the true understanding is?I do not have to respond on your terms. You lack true understanding, so why should I accept your opinion?
Wrong?!?!?! No I do not make that claim.Yeah, you're completely objective, right?
Thanks for the laugh!
The same procedures as done in academic science.
Actually some of my references did reference text particularly in comparison to Canaanite text. I am more than comfortable with my references Christian, secular and Jewish. They were sound academic references.Your position would be stronger if examples from the original texts are included, agreed?
First I do not believe there are many translations. Likely a few academic versions likely what is favored is the latest, These are translations of bothe the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammurabi texts by academic universities, which was important in comparing to the Torah. Reference follows.May I please see the version of the Code of Hammurabi which can be used for comparison with the law of the Hebrew Bible?
I think you missed my point which is that God allows the beating of slaves because they are considered "property", as long as they do not die as a result of the beating. The slave owner will not be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two.The only thing simple is your understanding of the verses, so allow me to quote a couple of excepts by Nahum Sarna on Exodus 21:20-21.
But first, a note on the rendering Exodus 21:20. You offer ...
The following is from Robert Alter and the JPS [ibid] respectively.
- Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
And now, Sarna:
- And should a man strike his mail slave or his slavegirl with a rod and they die under his hand, they shall surely be avenged.
- When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod, and he dies there and the, he must be avenged,
Injury to a Slave (vv. 20-21)This law -- the protection of slaves from maltreatment by their masters -- is found nowhere else in the entire existing corpus of ancient Near Eastern legislation. It represents a qualitative transformation inn social and human values and expresses itself once again in the provisions of verses 26-27. The underlying issue, as before, is the determination of intent on the part of the assailant at the time the act was committed. ...he must be avenged -- The master is criminally liable and faces execution, in keeping with the law of verse 12. Rabbinic tradition prescribes decapitation. This interpretation -- that the Hebrew stem n-k-m means the death penalty -- is supported by the early tradition behind the Samaritan version, which, in place of our received Hebrew text, actually reads here, "He must be put to death" (mot yumat).21. Should the beaten slave linger more than a day before succumbing, certain new and mitigating circumstances arise. The direct, causal relationship between the master's conduct and the slave's death is now in doubt, for there may have been some unknown intermediate cause.As for verse 12:
Do I "believe in these verse"?
- He who fatally strikes a man shall be put to death.
Otherwise, "simple" rhetorical questions are effectively disingenuous.
- I believe that a person should demonstrate a genuine effort to understand the verses.
- I believe that a person should demonstrate a genuine effort to understand the societal context.
- And, most importantly, I believe that a person should make a genuine effort to understand what he or she doest not understand.