Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in the Eyes of Non-Muslims

[Don Penguinoini]

and what kind of a fool would sit around while his people are killed. just because he is a peacefull prophet it doesn't mean it is forbiden for him to protect himself and his people. and he never started any wars, i think i have been over this many times. but obviously not with you.

HA! Ever heard of M.K. Gandhi?

Or Martin Luther King?

 

[England my lionheart]

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being a true profet has nothing to do with not starting wars(themselves). it has (i think) a little bit more with being true.
actually, being violent has nothing to do with starting wars. Unless i have good evidence that he was violent, i'm not going to say that he was the most violent of the three.

OK lets go down another path,how many invasions were carried out by Martin Luther King,Nelson Mandela,or the Dalai LLama =0 ,how many by Muhammed and his followers during his lifetime 27,i think the equasion to be an easy one.

 

[Luminous]

OK lets go down another path,how many invasions were carried out by Martin Luther King,Nelson Mandela,or the Dalai LLama =0 ,how many by Muhammed and his followers during his lifetime 27,i think the equasion to be an easy one.

Eh, true.

 

[Gharib]

It is quite clear that Muhammed was a military and political/social genious. whether he was a truthsayer, i do not know.

oh he was a truth sayer, beleive me. he was called Emin (the trustworhty) bt when he called people to islam the non beleivers started calling him the son of... (what do you call the man who guards the sheep) thats what he was called, the son of...

look Muhammed (saws) was everything, and if most people looked up to him and respected him and made decissions as he would, this world would turn into heaven. but thats never going to happen.

 

[Gharib]

OK lets go down another path,how many invasions were carried out by Martin Luther King,Nelson Mandela,or the Dalai LLama =0 ,how many by Muhammed and his followers during his lifetime 27,i think the equasion to be an easy one.

take it easy there bro, tell me who was martin? all he did was gather some people for some protests which turned into a big deal and he won his rights, same with mandela, and lama. you saw what happened before the olympic games this year, lama was telling his followers not to fight, but who gave a damn about what he said. there were monks kicking the crap out of the military personel. and i though that was a peacefull religion, monks won't hurt a fly, yeah right. when it comes to freedom one will do what ever it can to get it.

i see you are using the same excuse alot (the 27 invations), Muhammed (saws) was a governmet representing Allah on earth, so do you think Allah would tell them to go and kill his creations for nothing, everything that happens has a reason, so they had theirs, and if you do not accept that they never started wars but instead deffended themselves against others then you have been illinformed.

i too can say that the US started the war against iraq, but you will come to say that alqaida started the whole thing with the tower bombings, but thats not what i think.

so you see Muhammed (saws) also never attacked but there were others who provocked and attacked him. thats what i am saying and that is the truth but then you come in and say that Muhammed (saws) started the attacks, so go back a few lines and read the iraq-US war thing again.

all the people that betrayed islam in its early formation got what they deserved, to make a promise and breack it and then to go stabing people in the back is the same thing, and that is not allowed in islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

take it easy there bro, tell me who was martin? all he did was gather some people for some protests which turned into a big deal and he won his rights, same with mandela, and lama. you saw what happened before the olympic games this year, lama was telling his followers not to fight, but who gave a damn about what he said. there were monks kicking the crap out of the military personel. and i though that was a peacefull religion, monks won't hurt a fly, yeah right. when it comes to freedom one will do what ever it can to get it.

i see you are using the same excuse alot (the 27 invations), Muhammed (saws) was a governmet representing Allah on earth, so do you think Allah would tell them to go and kill his creations for nothing, everything that happens has a reason, so they had theirs, and if you do not accept that they never started wars but instead deffended themselves against others then you have been illinformed.

i too can say that the US started the war against iraq, but you will come to say that alqaida started the whole thing with the tower bombings, but thats not what i think.

so you see Muhammed (saws) also never attacked but there were others who provocked and attacked him. thats what i am saying and that is the truth but then you come in and say that Muhammed (saws) started the attacks, so go back a few lines and read the iraq-US war thing again.

all the people that betrayed islam in its early formation got what they deserved, to make a promise and breack it and then to go stabing people in the back is the same thing, and that is not allowed in islam.

Martin Luther King was an extraordinary Man with an extraordinary mission,Nelson Manela and the Dalai LLama are exrtaordinary Men still on a mission for Human rights.
In the case of Muhammed the Quran was'nt compiled until after his death by the first Caliph so studying his early life with an outside eye is'nt easy but by cross referencing other studies i think i have the gist of it.
The Quraish for example did nothing to Muhammed until he started persecuting and being disrespectful about their religion while he was under the protection of Abu Talib so its provocation,look back at the cartoon of Muhammed and what Muslims the world over did.
IMHO you religion is stuck in the 7th century and will never advance past that,you have but one book that has similarities with the Books of the Jews and Christians.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I will go a step FURTHER. Gandhi established the Non-Co-Operation movement in India. He noticed how his people suffered under the British Raj. He did not, like your prophet go out and kill them, he instead took the pain and beating. He was able to drive out the British with absolutely no blood being shed from his command. He never claimed to be a prophet or anything of the sort, yet he did more good then Muhammed.

 

[England my lionheart]

I will go a step FURTHER. Gandhi established the Non-Co-Operation movement in India. He noticed how his people suffered under the British Raj. He did not, like your prophet go out and kill them, he instead took the pain and beating. He was able to drive out the British with absolutely no blood being shed from his command. He never claimed to be a prophet or anything of the sort, yet he did more good then Muhammed.

I agree hes one of the worlds great Men

 

[England my lionheart]

I will go a step FURTHER. Gandhi established the Non-Co-Operation movement in India. He noticed how his people suffered under the British Raj. He did not, like your prophet go out and kill them, he instead took the pain and beating. He was able to drive out the British with absolutely no blood being shed from his command. He never claimed to be a prophet or anything of the sort, yet he did more good then Muhammed.

I agree he was one of the worlds great Men:clap

 

[England my lionheart]

sorry,don't know what happened there

 

[K.Venugopal]

I will go a step FURTHER. Gandhi established the Non-Co-Operation movement in India. He noticed how his people suffered under the British Raj. He did not, like your prophet go out and kill them, he instead took the pain and beating. He was able to drive out the British with absolutely no blood being shed from his command. He never claimed to be a prophet or anything of the sort, yet he did more good then Muhammed.

The greatest irony was, even as Mahatma Gandhi was leading the world's largest non-violent freedom movement, the followers of Prophet Mohammad called for the partition of the ancient Indian nation, causing bloodshed of unprecedented proportions. Bloodshed has since been the motif of Pakistani polity, which state could not hold together even in the name of Islam and had to concede independence to Bangladesh. Last but not least, much of the bloodshed that occurs in India now is also on account of what has come to be called Islamic terrorism.

BTW, Gandhiji got his ideas of non-violence from the Jain religion.

 

[England my lionheart]

The greatest irony was, even as Mahatma Gandhi was leading the world's largest non-violent freedom movement, the followers of Prophet Mohammad called for the partition of the ancient Indian nation, causing bloodshed of unprecedented proportions. Bloodshed has since been the motif of Pakistani polity, which state could not hold together even in the name of Islam and had to concede independence to Bangladesh. Last but not least, much of the bloodshed that occurs in India now is also on account of what has come to be called Islamic terrorism.

BTW, Gandhiji got his ideas of non-violence from the Jain religion.

Yesterday in Mumbai a terrorist attack carried out by Islamic terrorists shows just how the religion of peace preaches

 

[darkendless]

Yesterday in Mumbai a terrorist attack carried out by Islamic terrorists shows just how the religion of peace preaches

I have to agree with this.

Why is it that only Islamic extremists attack the innocent these days? Why don't we hear about Christian or Buddhist extremists commiting mass murders?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Yesterday in Mumbai a terrorist attack carried out by Islamic terrorists shows just how the religion of peace preaches

No it does not. I suppose you would throw out the baby with the bath water.

First off, the Christian, Jew and Muslim all believe in the same God. When we see Allah, God, (we cannot even agree on the same name) He will be disappointed in ALL OF US.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but my only criticism of Muslims is their blind eye to the radical among them. Honestly, can you blame them? Care to criticize a group that could cause you harm at any moment?

 

[Breathe]

There is plenty of blame to go around, but my only criticism of Muslims is their blind eye to the radical among them. Honestly, can you blame them? Care to criticize a group that could cause you harm at any moment?

Yes, I can blame them.

If they do not criticize them, then they (the radicals) are getting away scott free. They could cause harm at any moment, but they will often strive to cause others some serious harm.

If I were a member of a particular faith and messages about how we should kill others were delivered at my mosque, church, synagogue, temple, whatever - I would leave (if I feared my life, wait until the end of the talk) and go straight to the police. I would probably take an audio recorder for the possibility of it happening again.

If I got hurt because of it, at least I got hurt trying to prevent others from suffering, as opposed to trying to make others suffer.

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes, I can blame them.

If they do not criticize them, then they (the radicals) are getting away scott free. They could cause harm at any moment, but they will often strive to cause others some serious harm.

If I were a member of a particular faith and messages about how we should kill others were delivered at my mosque, church, synagogue, temple, whatever - I would leave (if I feared my life, wait until the end of the talk) and go straight to the police. I would probably take an audio recorder for the possibility of it happening again.

If I got hurt because of it, at least I got hurt trying to prevent others from suffering, as opposed to trying to make others suffer.

I agree,i do not follow a religion myself but if i were a Muslim i would be speaking out against them,but no not a whimper they say nothing against them.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Yes, I can blame them.



If I got hurt because of it, at least I got hurt trying to prevent others from suffering, as opposed to trying to make others suffer.

Well that is a great way of looking at this except many folks have a family to consider as well. Putting your family at risk is different than just yourself.

This is why I disagree with many Muslims but understand totally.

To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure we are the one's in the right. I'm not talking about extremists here, I'm thinking when God returns and looks to the east and see's people praying several times a day and then he looks to the west.........

 

[Breathe]

I agree,i do not follow a religion myself but if i were a Muslim i would be speaking out against them,but no not a whimper they say nothing against them.

I'm in your boat. Though I do not currently follow a religion, I'm looking for one (I suppose I like labels and being part of a community), but I would not tolerate hate speech within my community. I was lucky to find a very nice church where I used to live, and they did not bang on about hell, I did not have to listen to "turn or burn!", and they were very nice, polite, friendly and helpful. That is what I liked.

Unfortunately for me, I lost my faith within Christianity, and I'm happy I didn't have the trouble that many Muslims get for the most awful crime of changing one's beliefs to something that against the original religion. I still maintain good relations with the church members, and they do not hold it against me, but occasionally say "You're missed at church". I can deal with that. Some of them even bought my children some presents, despite I have not been going for a while.

 

[Breathe]

Well that is a great way of looking at this except many folks have a family to consider as well. Putting your family at risk is different than just yourself.

This is why I disagree with many Muslims but understand totally.

To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure we are the one's in the right. I'm not talking about extremists here, I'm thinking when God returns and looks to the east and see's people praying several times a day and then he looks to the west.........

I have a family.
I have a wife, and two children.

The only thing is, I'm no coward, and I'd hate for innocent people's lives being lost because I was too much of a wuss to stand up for justice and against injustice. Besides, how would they find out it was you?

He will look to the east, see people praying five times a day, look to the west, see drunkenness and how people have forgotten about him. Look to the east again, see people having their brains blown out for changing religion, look to the west, and see no such thing.

 

[England my lionheart]

I have a family.
I have a wife, and two children.

The only thing is, I'm no coward, and I'd hate for innocent people's lives being lost because I was too much of a wuss to stand up for justice and against injustice. Besides, how would they find out it was you?

He will look to the east, see people praying five times a day, look to the west, see drunkenness and how people have forgotten about him. Look to the east again, see people having their brains blown out for changing religion, look to the west, and see no such thing.

If only a some people of the Muslim faith thought the same way but all we get from the Muslim council of Britain is "we must be tollerant",and this is the worst thing about their religion,its faith first Country last.