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Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in the Eyes of Non-Muslims

first of all i think you read to fast or you just right the first name that comes to mind, i'm eselam not tariq.

ok if i'm going by what other people are saying so are you, did you ever meet the prophet to say the things you have, to accuse him of being a false prophet and all the other stuff, no you have never met him, i haven't either but because i believe in him and his message i feel as though i know him, do you think that people would wright lies when they say something good about someone, i mean lets start talking about george bush is ther any good to be said about him?? i certainly don't think so and there is nothing you can say either.

and for me just as any other muslim we have the word of the Kur'an, the word of Allah that speaks about about our prophet Muhammed (saws) i do not need someone else to tell me about him (ofcourse i do but whats in the Kur'an is still enough). and do you think that i would tell people what a good man george bush is, when clearly he isn't. why are you and other non muslims convinced that Muhammed (saws) is a lie, what information do you have that i don't

I don't see George W. Bush going around tooting his own horn, telling everyone he has been blessed by Allah above all other men.
 

Steinninn

Viking
I have a family.
I have a wife, and two children.

The only thing is, I'm no coward, and I'd hate for innocent people's lives being lost because I was too much of a wuss to stand up for justice and against injustice. Besides, how would they find out it was you?

He will look to the east, see people praying five times a day, look to the west, see drunkenness and how people have forgotten about him. Look to the east again, see people having their brains blown out for changing religion, look to the west, and see no such thing.

Have you ever been to the east? I have, and I didn't see anyone's brain beeing blown off. Oh, you just saw that on TV, right. Well, what do I see on TV here? High school shootouts in the west.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I have to agree with this.

no you don't.

Why is it that only Islamic extremists attack the innocent these days? Why don't we hear about Christian or Buddhist extremists commiting mass murders?

well has a christian country been invaded and all the innocent people killed in it, just so some @ss whole can steal their oil? you only think of the people that are killed by muslims, what about the muslims killed by non muslims, all the iraqis killed in iraq, about 4 million now, oh thats right its the US doing it, they aren't terrorists, they are peace keepers, so are your bloody aussie chickens, everyone was "crying" their eyes out about that new soldier killed from australia, so what, to hell with him, and what about the innocent afganies killed there by your australian soldiers. thats not important to you because they are muslim, one less muslim huh, yeah reall nice, you make a big deal when a non muslim gets killed and when a muslim is kiled, oh it doesn't matter. it may not matter to you but it does to me. but no worries have your fun while it lasts.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Yes, I can blame them.

If they do not criticize them, then they (the radicals) are getting away scott free. They could cause harm at any moment, but they will often strive to cause others some serious harm.

If I were a member of a particular faith and messages about how we should kill others were delivered at my mosque, church, synagogue, temple, whatever - I would leave (if I feared my life, wait until the end of the talk) and go straight to the police. I would probably take an audio recorder for the possibility of it happening again.

If I got hurt because of it, at least I got hurt trying to prevent others from suffering, as opposed to trying to make others suffer.

nice going there Odion, do you think that people who go to pray in a mosque do these things? do you think that a person who is constantly thinking of Allah and Heaven would do such a thing? think again. these people are no muslims, they were indians. they simply killed their own people, but for you guys (the westerners) it is very easy to blame the muslims, so clearly all these wars going on today are no polotical wars, they are wars against islam, this was known since the very first time the US blew up its own towers, and blamed iraq for it. this is the time when the truth will rise, the promise that Allah made to the muslims, Islam will rise, it is very clear now to any muslim that this is that time, and all are simply waiting for the right time, and the right place. so if you think that amuslims would go killing innocent people for no reason then i suggest you think twice about this, but if their family has been killed then they have every right to avenge their loved ones, just as i and you would.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I agree,i do not follow a religion myself but if i were a Muslim i would be speaking out against them,but no not a whimper they say nothing against them.

yes i too would go and speak out to george bush. i though that you and some others here were more mature and you would understand these things but i guess i was wrong. tell me England to whom would you go and speak out if your people were killed in a war against your religion, to bush, to chainy, to your fat queen, to brown, to who?

thats childish talk, grow up man, i can't beleive i am reading these statments, and tell me against who would you speak if you were a muslim? i'd like to know this.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
If only a some people of the Muslim faith thought the same way but all we get from the Muslim council of Britain is "we must be tollerant",and this is the worst thing about their religion,its faith first Country last.

our faith is our country man, what are you saying, islam is everything, its a law, its a science, its a life, its a word from god, its everything, do you want more. and yet people say we aren't tolerant, you just said it yourself and and then you will say thats not what i meant.
 

Steinninn

Viking
nice going there Odion, do you think that people who go to pray in a mosque do these things? do you think that a person who is constantly thinking of Allah and Heaven would do such a thing? think again. these people are no muslims, they were indians. they simply killed their own people, but for you guys (the westerners) it is very easy to blame the muslims, so clearly all these wars going on today are no polotical wars, they are wars against islam, this was known since the very first time the US blew up its own towers, and blamed iraq for it. this is the time when the truth will rise, the promise that Allah made to the muslims, Islam will rise, it is very clear now to any muslim that this is that time, and all are simply waiting for the right time, and the right place. so if you think that amuslims would go killing innocent people for no reason then i suggest you think twice about this, but if their family has been killed then they have every right to avenge their loved ones, just as i and you would.

I have no idea what is going on in India, but the news here is telling me that they were from Pakistan. And I must agree that it seems that the promised time is apone us, but ofcorse, we can't agree on what kind of time that is. And just for the record, I would never avenge my family if they would get killed, and I don't think anyone has the right to.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I have no idea what is going on in India, but the news here is telling me that they were from Pakistan. And I must agree that it seems that the promised time is apone us, but ofcorse, we can't agree on what kind of time that is. And just for the record, I would never avenge my family if they would get killed, and I don't think anyone has the right to.

so if some soilders practiced their ami at your family, you would cheer them on right?
 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
yes i too would go and speak out to george bush. i though that you and some others here were more mature and you would understand these things but i guess i was wrong. tell me England to whom would you go and speak out if your people were killed in a war against your religion, to bush, to chainy, to your fat queen, to brown, to who?

thats childish talk, grow up man, i can't beleive i am reading these statments, and tell me against who would you speak if you were a muslim? i'd like to know this.

If I were muslim I would abandon my faith. When I read your posts I see hateful challenges in poor english which I can excuse but their intent seems to inspire conflict... Why?

Your faith teaches you to surrender and to submit to god. Your faith teaches you that nothing happens that has not been preordained.
 

kai

ragamuffin
no you don't.



well has a christian country been invaded and all the innocent people killed in it, just so some @ss whole can steal their oil? you only think of the people that are killed by muslims, what about the muslims killed by non muslims, all the iraqis killed in iraq, about 4 million now, oh thats right its the US doing it, they aren't terrorists, they are peace keepers, so are your bloody aussie chickens, everyone was "crying" their eyes out about that new soldier killed from australia, so what, to hell with him, and what about the innocent afganies killed there by your australian soldiers. thats not important to you because they are muslim, one less muslim huh, yeah reall nice, you make a big deal when a non muslim gets killed and when a muslim is kiled, oh it doesn't matter. it may not matter to you but it does to me. but no worries have your fun while it lasts.

nice speech ,full of mistakes and maybe lies that you have picked up from somewhere masquerading as the truth, perhaps you could enlighten me on a few facts here.

which country has been invaded and all the innocent people killed?

where did you get the figure of 4 million Iraqis killed?

who has stolen whos oil?

is this what you beleive ,who told you this?
 

kai

ragamuffin
nice going there Odion, do you think that people who go to pray in a mosque do these things? do you think that a person who is constantly thinking of Allah and Heaven would do such a thing? think again. these people are no muslims, they were indians. they simply killed their own people, but for you guys (the westerners) it is very easy to blame the muslims, so clearly all these wars going on today are no polotical wars, they are wars against islam, this was known since the very first time the US blew up its own towers, and blamed iraq for it. this is the time when the truth will rise, the promise that Allah made to the muslims, Islam will rise, it is very clear now to any muslim that this is that time, and all are simply waiting for the right time, and the right place. so if you think that amuslims would go killing innocent people for no reason then i suggest you think twice about this, but if their family has been killed then they have every right to avenge their loved ones, just as i and you would.

again such rubbish .

where did you get the facts that those people were not Muslims and were Indian?

America blew up thier own twin towers?

whos family has been killed ?

and these vieled threats do nothing for the Muslim cause. some people do blame all Muslims for the attacks , and honestly you dont help to counter that by spouting falsehoods and vieled threats of some kind of a muslim future uprising
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
no you don't.



well has a christian country been invaded and all the innocent people killed in it, just so some @ss whole can steal their oil? you only think of the people that are killed by muslims, what about the muslims killed by non muslims, all the iraqis killed in iraq, about 4 million now, oh thats right its the US doing it, they aren't terrorists, they are peace keepers, so are your bloody aussie chickens, everyone was "crying" their eyes out about that new soldier killed from australia, so what, to hell with him, and what about the innocent afganies killed there by your australian soldiers. thats not important to you because they are muslim, one less muslim huh, yeah reall nice, you make a big deal when a non muslim gets killed and when a muslim is kiled, oh it doesn't matter. it may not matter to you but it does to me. but no worries have your fun while it lasts.

Eselam,you are either very poorly educated or very gullible,not all Muslims are cowards and shoot or blow up innocent people,where on earth do you get your information from because its nonsense.
If you want to know who is responsible for most of the killing in Iraq its Islamic terrorists trained in Iran,i really think you are making a fool of yourself.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
yes i too would go and speak out to george bush. i though that you and some others here were more mature and you would understand these things but i guess i was wrong. tell me England to whom would you go and speak out if your people were killed in a war against your religion, to bush, to chainy, to your fat queen, to brown, to who?

thats childish talk, grow up man, i can't beleive i am reading these statments, and tell me against who would you speak if you were a muslim? i'd like to know this.

First i follow no religion but its very unlikely that my country would suffer because of religion except when terrorists creep up on some innocent people and blow them up.
If i were a Muslim i would seek out these preachers of hate and put them right and not stand by while they tarnished my religions name.
However we do not have a fat Queen to speak to ,our Queen is quite trim but as the head of The Church of England she does have some clout nd i am sure would have something to say.
Eselam i think you are a very poor advertisment for your faith and i think its you who is'nt very mature.
 
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