Muhammad The Greatest: A comparative study

[Sahar]

you know, now this is begining to become anoying.

This is what he is trying to do, so simply you can ignore such posts.

 

[YmirGF]

freidn YmirGF

you need to keep up with reality.

Child, I do keep up with reality. It is probably something the garden variety Muslim really ought to try.

if you yourself beleive that they are, then we can all make an exception. but do not go telling people humans are animals.

You will have to accept the fact that on this particular topic, I will never change my tune, as that would not be particularly realistic. Rather, I would suggest you actually study science before you make such outlandish claims but I will say, your ludicrous claims are not unexpected.

there is the human world, the animal world, and the plantation (don't know if this is the correct term) world, so according to biology you are wrong, unless biology is wrong and you are right?

Biology isn't one of your stronger subjects, is it? My guess is that you got a rather large F.

 

[Gharib]

OK i will show this and it isn't a criticism of Muhammed but it is a criticism of a large portion of Muslims today.

Volume 3, Book 49, Number 860:

Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:
A bedouin came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Judge between us according to Allah's Laws." His opponent got up and said, "He is right. Judge between us according to Allah's Laws." The bedouin said, "My son was a laborer working for this man, and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death; so, in lieu of that, I paid a ransom of one hundred sheep and a slave girl to save my son. Then I asked the learned scholars who said, "Your son has to be lashed one-hundred lashes and has to be exiled for one year." The Prophet said, "No doubt I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to go back to you, and your son will get a hundred lashes and one year exile." He then addressed somebody, "O Unais! go to the wife of this (man) and stone her to death" So, Unais went and stoned her to death.

In this Hadith it is clear what the problem is,currently Pakistan,Iran,Taleban,Saudi etc all carry out stoning as punishment,these people are trying to emulate Muhammed in every way and that is why we have this ugly crime against Humanity now and it must stop.
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dear England

i asked someone about something similar to this and they explained it to me.
both the lashes and the stonning part are both correct, they do not interfeere with one another.

the reason why the wife gets stoned is because she is a married woman, therefore what the hell would she want to have sexual relations with an unmarried man, since she is a married woman her punishment is death by stonning, but if she becomes pregnant then she must be left alive untill the child is born then she must be stonned.

the man however isn't stoned because he is not married, it is easier for him to commit such an act than it is for the married woman. so his punishment is 100 lashes as stated in the quran. however, if the people do not wish to see him anymore, he can be forced to leave the city or even the country depending on what the people decide.

and if both are not married then their punishment is 100 lashes plus other things such as exiles or something similar,
but if 2 married people commit such an act, then their punishment is stonning to death.
i hope this expalins it.

 

[Imagist]

The same primary sources that deduce Aisha (RAA) was not 9 when she got married.

Really? It seems to me that the primary source says:

Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Where is this deduction of which you speak?

England changed its marriage consent from the age of 12 for girls to 13 in 1875. I'm sure you will be all smart now and say "this has nothing to do with England" which is not my point. My point is less than 150 years ago girls were "marriagable" at age 12, do you think 1400 years ago that same age (or even 9) was sick? We are not discussing what do you think, we are talking about facts, about ancient lifestyle that existed. Life back then is not like now.

I think that a 40 year old man sleeping with a 12 year old girl was sick 150 years ago, just as a 40 year old man sleeping with a 9 year old girl was sick 1400 years ago.

Hypothetically, if life back then is not like now, then you shouldn't emulate Muhammed. According to your argument he acted appropriately for his time, but not for now. So if you emulated him, you would be acting inappropriately for now.

Prophet's father was 16 years old when he fathered him, what are you talking about here? You are smart enough to know that a child 1400, or maybe even 150 years ago, years ago was not like the child of nowadays, the emotional and mental maturity cannot of these two generations cannot be remotely compared.

Really? How have girls changed?

Again very weak argument. I am a human too and have my mistakes but i dont try to violate Qur'an specifically the fundamentals. Why would the Prophet (PBUH) and the founder of Islam do so? You still fail to make a valid argument.

You ma not try to violate Quran, but you sometimes make mistakes, right? Likewise, if you admit that Muhammed was not perfect, he would also make mistakes.

No it is you that choose to believe what supports your agenda disclaiming all others texts that support our main and most accurate source of Islam which is the Qur'an.

I haven't discounted any texts at all. I've merely pointed out that none of them contradict the hadith I mentioned.

I did, would you like to me to post the links again? The ones about Mecca and Aisha' age?

You mean the links that I refuted? If you repost the links, I will merely repost my refutations.

LOL, yes you the non-Muslim have texts that support your belief on Islam and Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) unlike me the Muslim. What a strong, valid and convincing argument.

Yes, it is valid and convincing that I have presented evidence and you have not.

Oh yes it does. At least i am not confused with my belief and nothing will shake it. Something that cannot be said about you.

I am not confused with my beliefs. The assertion that nothing will shake your beliefs merely means that you unable to learn, and isn't something I would proclaim proudly if I were you.

 

[McBell]

You're right my dear brother.

I bet that half of your 9,176 are pointless and meaningless like this one. I wanted to say this in the late thread that I was following which was started by my brother Cordoba, but I didn't want to trash his thread, (you know responding to trash helps to increase the trash volume).

And I bet you, just like eselam, have no idea what you are talking about.
I will further bet that you, just like eselam, will not let that fact even slow you down.

 

[McBell]

The challenges don't prove anything except that you don't have any understanding of the concept of proof.

Now if that ain't the understatement of the millennium I don't know what is.

 

[Gharib]

Child, I do keep up with reality. It is probably something the garden variety Muslim really ought to try.

first of all i am sorry for the rude tone, i do not like to speak to older people like that.

You will have to accept the fact that on this particular topic, I will never change my tune, as that would not be particularly realistic. Rather, I would suggest you actually study science before you make such outlandish claims but I will say, your ludicrous claims are not unexpected.

well i'm not that old to sound as smart, i just get to the point, i guess i shouldn't rush in the future.

i know about science or biology in particular that makes you argumant flawless. thats all i need, no need to devote my self to biology, i'm not really interested in it.

and like i said the human world, the animal world and the plantation world, are classified as 3 different things according to biology, show me any proof if this is wrong.

Biology isn't one of your stronger subjects, is it? My guess is that you got a rather large F

no they were quite good, i bet that that was unexpected to you.

 

[YmirGF]

dear England

i asked someone about something similar to this and they explained it to me.
both the lashes and the stonning part are both correct, they do not interfeere with one another.

the reason why the wife gets stoned is because she is a married woman, therefore what the hell would she want to have sexual relations with an unmarried man, since she is a married woman her punishment is death by stonning, but if she becomes pregnant then she must be left alive untill the child is born then she must be stonned.

the man however isn't stoned because he is not married, it is easier for him to commit such an act than it is for the married woman. so his punishment is 100 lashes as stated in the quran. however, if the people do not wish to see him anymore, he can be forced to leave the city or even the country depending on what the people decide.

and if both are not married then their punishment is 100 lashes plus other things such as exiles or something similar, but if 2 married people commit such an act, then their punishment is stonning to death. i hope this expalins it.

It is somewhat shocking how casually you address such a serious topic.
More to the point, do you personally condone such attrocities, Eselam?

Personally, I think this thread outlines perfectly the effect that Islam can have on the intelligence of the average adherent. I wonder why Muslim's never strike me as being remotely spiritual people? How odd, as normally, I can see this is quality in virtually any human animal.

no they were quite good, i bet that that was unexpected to you.

IF, and it is a rather large IF, that is the case, then there was obviously something sadly lacking in the instruction your were given.

I will relent for just one moment... Were you actually taught in class that humans are NOT part of the animal kingdom? I am genuinely curious. If you were actually taught this in class then that would explain a lot.

 

[McBell]

This is what he is trying to do, so simply you can ignore such posts.

 

[YmirGF]

They say that a picture says a thousand words. In this case, that is most certianly a correct statement. Well "said", Mes.

 

[Sahar]

(you know responding to trash helps to increase the trash volume).

It's amazing how my point was proven that fast.

 

[McBell]

It's amazing how my point was proven that fast.

And yet you keep posting....

So there really was no surprise, was there?

 

[England my lionheart]

i was never speaking about you, there are millions of muslims that do not live in a so called "free country" where criminals have more rights than the victim. we are talking about those who are there and who would go there any day.
They need therapy

you are not a muslim, so you do not need to lissten to anyone saying to you "do your ablution such and such"

Thank goodness

you mentioned religion, how come everytime i go to the airport some wacko dude says to me (always me) this is a random drug and explosive test. out of the 100's of other people that just wen't past i always fall into their 'radar' just because they see my family memebers are covered. very tolerant.
I guess you can blame the Islamic terrorists for that
"race"
go to an islamic country and compare the race thing to a western country and see who is more tolerant. i see you have just put some things there in your list to make it long without thinking about them. how tolerant are most white americas of black americans
I have no idea about America i live in England

"sexuality"
if western countries are tolerant of sexuality then why don't gays have the same rights as the staight people, gays aren't allowed to get married in any country appart from the city of LA. i did tell you that you were only putting these there to make the list longer.

Not true,there are Gay weddings in Britain


the chinese kill dogs and even eat them, so what, kill the chinese? isn't leather made from dog skin? if so then look at all the leather in the shops, all those dogs killed for nothing. and in you own country.
Leather is made from Cows skin

islamic states are tolerant of race, gender, religion, and maybe politics (have never been to an islamic state to know this with confidence).

Never been to an Islamic state and unlikely to

 

[England my lionheart]

dear England

i asked someone about something similar to this and they explained it to me.
both the lashes and the stonning part are both correct, they do not interfeere with one another.

the reason why the wife gets stoned is because she is a married woman, therefore what the hell would she want to have sexual relations with an unmarried man, since she is a married woman her punishment is death by stonning, but if she becomes pregnant then she must be left alive untill the child is born then she must be stonned.

the man however isn't stoned because he is not married, it is easier for him to commit such an act than it is for the married woman. so his punishment is 100 lashes as stated in the quran. however, if the people do not wish to see him anymore, he can be forced to leave the city or even the country depending on what the people decide.

and if both are not married then their punishment is 100 lashes plus other things such as exiles or something similar,
but if 2 married people commit such an act, then their punishment is stonning to death.
i hope this expalins it.

You have explained it very well,from my non Muslim perspective i find it incredible
that people practice this and view adultery as such a serious crime and find it even more incredible that it is accepted.

 

[Gharib]

You have explained it very well,from my non Muslim perspective i find it incredible
that people practice this and view adultery as such a serious crime and find it even more incredible that it is accepted.

you're not serious about this are you?

 

[Gharib]

They need therapy

aren't you the person that said "i'd go there for 6 grand a week with no tax" (it may not be correct word to word)

Thank goodness

why thank "goodness" it's just a word, it cannot bring you any good. why not thank god instead?

I guess you can blame the Islamic terrorists for that

this is where you blew it. all along i thought you were someone of understanding, a smart man, i guess i judged the book by it's covers.

Not true,there are Gay weddings in Britain

it seem you all live in perfect harmony, hurray for equality.

Leather is made from Cows skin

not what i've heard of.

Never been to an Islamic state and unlikely to

why are you so affraid, i've never come across someone to be so affraid of something for nothing.

 

[Gharib]

And yet you keep posting....

So there really was no surprise, was there?

friend be more serious, your just showing everyone your level of maturity and at the moment it is pretty low.

 

[Gharib]

And I bet you, just like eselam, have no idea what you are talking about.
I will further bet that you, just like eselam, will not let that fact even slow you down.

tolled you that your maturity level wa pretty low, this just makes it lower. can we have an age limit here at RF, or instead a maturity level might be a better idea.

 

[YmirGF]

not what i've heard of.

Eselam, cow hide is primarily the source for leather products. The reason for this is that they have a large surface area that can be used, as opposed to the hide of a dog, or any smaller animal. Granted I have only been on this planet for 53 years, but I have yet to hear of anyone having anything made from a "dog pelt". It just isn't done... at least, as far as I am aware.

For more information you can read up on leather here -=> All you wanted to know about leather but were afraid you'd look stupid asking

tolled you that your maturity level wa pretty low, this just makes it lower. can we have an age limit here at RF, or instead a maturity level might be a better idea.

But Eselam, you must try to appreciate that when a person makes an absolutely idiotic remark, they have to expect that they are going to be laughed right out of the room. What you may not understand is that Mes isn't trying to derail the thread, per se. Rather, he is so enchanted by the comments that he cannot stop laughing. What his retorts mean is that there is no reason to take the person who made the comment which precipitated his response seriously, as the point made was farcical. Do you understand at least that much?

 

[Gharib]

It is somewhat shocking how casually you address such a serious topic.
More to the point, do you personally condone such attrocities, Eselam?

can you explain to me what you mean by this statement? i don't have a dictionary to look the words up.

Personally, I think this thread outlines perfectly the effect that Islam can have on the intelligence of the average adherent. I wonder why Muslim's never strike me as being remotely spiritual people?

thats probably because we don't meditate as much, rather we praise Allah, all day everyday.

How odd, as normally, I can see this is quality in virtually any human animal.

no i'm not an animal. like said, i can make an exception but not to call me one.

IF, and it is a rather large IF,

even larger that what you think.

that is the case, then there was obviously something sadly lacking in the instruction your were given.

well i can agreee with you to an extent, i mean we were taught the westen biology, not islamic, so you see you scientists contradict themselves.

i said it before and here i go again, humans are not animals. just like plants are not animals. and one question; why do you say human animal, why not say animal human.

I will relent for just one moment... Were you actually taught in class that humans are NOT part of the animal kingdom?

no i think we were tolled something like that, but we were also tolled that humans have their own world, animals their own, plants their own. the whole animal kingdom thing is because fo the evolution theory, but thats not actually true.

I am genuinely curious. If you were actually taught this in class then that would explain a lot

what will it explain, i wasn't taught the right things?
or the material provided was from an animal?