Muhammad The Greatest: A comparative study

[OmarKhayyam]

Response: There's the statement. Now where's the proof?

OK fact one; It does originate in the 7th century.

Fact two it IS a myth since it postulates a "god" whose existence cannot be proved.

Fact three: It encourages stoning a barbaric practice from the 7th century that was considered acceptable then.

Fact four: Modern civilized societies do not allow such ancient practices and shouldn't. Islam - or least some adherents- apparently do.

QED

 

[Fatihah]

OK fact one; It does originate in the 7th century.



Response: Where's the proof?

Quote: OmarKhayyam
Fact two it IS a myth since it postulates a "god" whose existence cannot be proved.



Response: Where's the proof?

Quote: OmarKhayyam
Fact three: It encourages stoning a barbaric practice from the 7th century that was considered acceptable then.



Response: Where's the proof?

OmarKhayyam
Fact four: Modern civilized societies do not allow such ancient practices and shouldn't. Islam - or least some adherents- apparently do.

QED

Response: Where's the proof?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I thought this thread was going to be about Muhammad Ali ....

I was hoping. I like Joe Calzaghe. He is amazing. Shame he retired, though

 

[YmirGF]

OK fact one; It does originate in the 7th century.

Incorrect. Stoning was an age old custom well before the 7th century.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Incorrect. Stoning was an age old custom well before the 7th century.

Not what I meant. ISLAM originates in the 7th century.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

OK fact one; It does originate in the 7th century.



Response: Where's the proof?

Quote: OmarKhayyam
Fact two it IS a myth since it postulates a "god" whose existence cannot be proved.



Response: Where's the proof?

Quote: OmarKhayyam
Fact three: It encourages stoning a barbaric practice from the 7th century that was considered acceptable then.



Response: Where's the proof?

OmarKhayyam
Fact four: Modern civilized societies do not allow such ancient practices and shouldn't. Islam - or least some adherents- apparently do.

QED

Response: Where's the proof?

You just read it.

QED

Now if you have a counter argument - post it.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:OmarKhayyam][quote:Fatihah]

You just read it.

QED

Now if you have a counter argument - post it.
[/QUOTE]

Response: There's nothing to argue when there is no proof of the points in the other's argument.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Response: There's nothing to argue when there is no proof of the points in the other's argument.

Alright deliberately obtuse.

Fact One: The religion commonly known as Islam originates in the 7th century CE - yes or no?

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:OmarKhayyam]

Alright deliberately obtuse.

Fact One: The religion commonly known as Islam originates in the 7th century CE - yes or no?

Response: No. The religion originates with the first Man, Adam.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

You know kid, life is just too short to play your silly games.

You got a reasonable response - post it.

Otherwise:sleep:

 

[Fatihah]

You know kid, life is just too short to play your silly games.

You got a reasonable response - post it.

Otherwise:sleep:

Response: Likewise.

 

[JMorris]

[QUOTE:OmarKhayyam]

Response: No. The religion originates with the first Man, Adam.

so Adam (certainly dosent seem like a very Muslim name to me) was riding his dinosaur around Eden, looking for infidels to kill. he was must of got annoyed with god, theres no infidels to kill! so he killed all the dinosaurs! thats what happened to them.......

where was Eve (also dosent seem to be a very muslim name) during all this? who cares! probably talking to that snake! sinning for all man kind! stupid women..... no wonder god didnt take the time to create them first hand. they're only worthy of being created from a second hand rib that men dont even need!

*sarcasm*

 

[Sajdah]

so Adam (certainly dosent seem like a very Muslim name to me) was riding his dinosaur around Eden, looking for infidels to kill. he was must of got annoyed with god, theres no infidels to kill! so he killed all the dinosaurs! thats what happened to them.......

where was Eve (also dosent seem to be a very muslim name) during all this? who cares! probably talking to that snake! sinning for all man kind! stupid women..... no wonder god didnt take the time to create them first hand. they're only worthy of being created from a second hand rib that men dont even need!

*sarcasm*

It seems that you don't know what you are talking about here. This thread is about ISLAM, and the last prophet of Islam. So your "Sarcasm" would be suitable for a thread about Christianity or the Bible.

 

[YmirGF]

It seems that you don't know what you are talking about here. This thread is about ISLAM, and the last prophet of Islam. So your "Sarcasm" would be suitable for a thread about Christianity or the Bible.

Why is that? Islam supports the story of Adam 'n' Eve.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

[QUOTE:OmarKhayyam]

Response: No. The religion originates with the first Man, Adam.

:biglaugh:

That is the funniest thing I have read on this forum for a long time...

 

[Sajdah]

Why is that? Islam supports the story of Adam 'n' Eve.

Yeah, but he was talking about the story from a christian perspective.

 

[JMorris]

Yeah, but he was talking about the story from a christian perspective.

genuine question (im not always a jerk)

what is the muslim perspective of the story?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

genuine question (im not always a jerk)

what is the muslim perspective of the story?

I don't know the Christian perspective, but the Muslim one goes as follows:

Adam was created from mud, lived in paradise/heaven, and then Eve was created to live with him.
Then they ate from the forbidden tree, and were punished by letting them leave on Earth instead of heaven.

Adam and Eve asked God to forgive them, and He did, but he asked them to start adapting to living on Earth.

 

[Sajdah]

genuine question (im not always a jerk)

what is the muslim perspective of the story?

The story of Adam and Eve is found in most religious and major cultural traditions. The way the Qur’an narrates this event is crucial to the understanding of the Islamic worldview.
The main outline of the Qur’anic narration is as follows: Allah declared His intention to send a khalifah, or vicegerent, to the earth. He created Adam and Eve from the same substance. They were destined to play this role of vicegerency and were endowed with the “knowledge of the things” to do the job well. Then they were put to a test and asked not to approach a certain tree. They fell victim to the evil persuasions of Satan and committed sin. But immediately after sinning, they repented their mistake, sought Allah’s forgiveness and were forgiven.
It is important to point out that it was after they were forgiven and redeemed that they were sent down to the earth to play their role as vicegerents of Allah. They were promised Divine Guidance and were assured that those who followed the Guidance would be successful.
Complete the story

 

[JMorris]

I don't know the Christian perspective, but the Muslim one goes as follows:

Adam was created from mud, lived in paradise/heaven, and then Eve was created to live with him.
Then they ate from the forbidden tree, and were punished by letting them leave on Earth instead of heaven.

Adam and Eve asked God to forgive them, and He did, but he asked them to start adapting to living on Earth.

looks largely the same as the christian perspective. but im not a christian, and dont have any expert knowledge of the religion, so i could be wrong. but from what i know, it looks pretty much the same.