Muhammads knowledge divine or learned?

[Britedream]

It is called a lexicon.... These provide definitions of words in one language for another language....

lex·i·con

noun \ˈlek-sə-ˌkän also -kən\ : the words used in a language or by a person or group of people


plural lex·i·ca or lexicons




1
: a book containing an alphabetical arrangement of the words in a language and their definitions : dictionary

2
a : the vocabulary of a language, an individual speaker or group of speakers, or a subject
b : the total stock of morphemes in a language

I ready put the reference to you in arabic, that lists the word and the meaning.
but you asked me to give you in english, that would be a translation.

If you are going after the translation, you will be lost, you get the undersanding of the person who translated it, beside I dont think the translations list all the the variations in the arabic reference. so if you want the meaning, get it from the word itself, not from the translations.

 

[Shad]

I asked for an English/Arabic lexicon for your source. By providing only Arabic words you are dodging the question probably since you can not support your claims.

 

[outhouse]

either way, no evidence of divine anything with your warlord

 

[Britedream]

I asked for an English/Arabic lexicon for your source. By providing only Arabic words you are dodging the question probably since you can not support your claims.

The Quran is in Arabic, the reference of the meanig for the arabic words are arabic, and my mother tongue is arabic, the argument is about arabic verse, not english one. I did provide you with the list of the meaning of those words in question along with name of the reference in arabic, so go and read the words in the reference. you do not know arabic this is your problem, not mine.

Let me make it easier for you. you are having a problem with the barrier in the verse, I told you in english what the barrier means to clearify the thing for you. if you do not understand what Iam saying, please look at this Quranic verses.

Chapter 23:
99. (In Falsehood will they be Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: "O my Lord! send me back (to life),-

100. "In order that I may work righteousness in the things I neglected." - "By no means! It is but a word he says."-Before them is a Partition(2940)till the Day they are raised up.

2940 Barzakh: a partition, a bar or barrier; the place or state in which people will be after death and before Judgement.

Please look at the comment(2940) in the verse for the meaning of Barzakh; barrier, but people pass throught after death to go to the day of Judgement.

If you look at the verse in arabic you will find the same word; Barazakh(baririer) as that verse you are having a problem in understanding the word barrier in.

By the way when you go from life to the day of Judgement through Barzakh, you will lose your characteristics that you had in this life, and you will be reconditioned by new characteristics,so that you will be fit for the day of Judgement.( my point is to make you see how Barazakh reconditions)

 

[outhouse]

The Quran is in Arabic, the reference of the meanig for the arabic words are arabic, and my mother tongue is arabic, the argument is about arabic verse, not english one. I did provide you with the list of the meaning of those words in question along with name of the reference in arabic, so go and read the words in the reference. you do not know arabic this is your problem, not mine.

Let me make it easier for you. you are having a problem with the barrier in the verse, I told you in english what the barrier means to clearify the thing for you. if you do not understand what Iam saying, please look at this Quranic verses.

Please look at the comment(2940) in the verse for the meaning of Barzakh; barrier, but people pass throught after death to go to the day of Judgement.

If you look at the verse in arabic you will find the same word; Barazakh(baririer) as that verse you are having a problem in understanding the word barrier in.

It does not change anything. Even if you were correct there are a thousand other historical and scientific errors.

When you plagiarize mythology, and claim it as real events in reality, your running over your own feet with your own car.

 

[Shad]

The Quran is in Arabic, the reference of the meanig for the arabic words are arabic, and my mother tongue is arabic, the argument is about arabic verse, not english one. I did provide you with the list of the meaning of those words in question along with name of the reference in arabic, so go and read the words in the reference. you do not know arabic this is your problem, not mine.

This where lexicons come in. A lexicon will provide transliteration as it is the sole purpose of a lexicon. You provide something which I did not request. I asked for a lexicon source not Arabic and only Arabic. You are dodging the request as your claims are assertions backed by nothing. If you had a source you would of presented it. My own research using a lexicon has refuted your claims.

Let me make it easier for you. you are having a problem with the barrier in the verse, I told you in english what the barrier means to clearify the thing for you. if you do not understand what Iam saying, please look at this Quranic verses.

Which has been refuted use a basic Quran lexicon

Please look at the comment(2940) in the verse for the meaning of Barzakh; barrier, but people pass throught after death to go to the day of Judgement.

Non-sequitur as we are talking about words in one verse not another verse.

If you look at the verse in arabic you will find the same word; Barazakh(baririer) as that verse you are having a problem in understanding the word barrier in.

Words have different meaning into different context.
Non-sequitur.

By the way when you go from life to the day of Judgement through Barzakh, you will lose your characteristics that you had in this life, and you will be reconditioned by new characteristics,so that you will be fit for the day of Judgement.( my point is to make you see how Barazakh reconditions)

And empty religious rhetoric.

One is about metaphysics(magic), one about physic, two different things. Put up or shut up. Provide your source from a lexicon. Otherwise I will use the time test methods of linguistics, lexicon and the Quranic lexicons which prove the verse wrong.

 

[Shad]

Okay so you linked a verse which has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You take words out of context then put another context in. Too bad the use of the word in the verse in context has a different meaning. This is a non-sequitur. You have failed to prove anything. Thanks for playing childish games.

 

[Britedream]

This where lexicons come in. A lexicon will provide transliteration as it is the sole purpose of a lexicon. You provide something which I did not request. I asked for a lexicon source not Arabic and only Arabic. You are dodging the request as your claims are assertions backed by nothing. If you had a source you would of presented it. My own research using a lexicon has refuted your claims.



Which has been refuted use a basic Quran lexicon

Non-sequitur as we are talking about words in one verse not another verse.

Words have different meaning into different context.
Non-sequitur.

And empty religious rhetoric.

One is about metaphysics(magic), one about physic, two different things. Put up or shut up. Provide your source from a lexicon. Otherwise I will use the time test methods of linguistics, lexicon and the Quranic lexicons which prove the verse wrong.

I proved to you that the Barazakh is a type of a barrier that allows passing through with rules, by giving you an example of its usage in Quran. whether you beleive in what we say or not, this does not matter, what matter is how it is been used to convey the meaning.

The only way to say is not correct, is to say the Muslims do not believe that when they die, they go to the day of Judgement through the Barazakh. but if it turns that we beleive that we do go through it, then that confirms what the arabic language conveys by using the word Barazakh; the same word used in the verse you trying to disprove.

All you have done is to go in circle. you did not know what to do; I gave you the words in arabic , I gave the reference of the meaning in arabic, I gave its usage in arabic from the Quran itself, and you never have been able to refute that, all you did, is to put claims from your head, why do not you give me an example from another verse in the Quran to prove your case.

So I have provided the prove, you provided nothing to show it is wrong. the words of your mouth is not a prove of any thing.

 

[Britedream]

Okay so you linked a verse which has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You take words out of context then put another context in. Too bad the use of the word in the verse in context has a different meaning. This is a non-sequitur. You have failed to prove anything. Thanks for playing childish games.

Isn't Barazakh a barrier in the both verses?.
doesn't the second verse show you that people go through Barazakh to the day of Judgement?.

 

[paarsurrey]

The accepted theory is that Muhammad was given the Quran over a span of 23 years by the angel Gabriel first appearing to him in the cave.

Here is the primary issue followed by a secondary point:

Muhammad was a known trader & one of the many places he traveled was Syria. For the Christians reading this allow me to explain. Syria is the home of Damascus where Paul is alleged to have had his vision. Thus it stands to reason that Muhammad would have been exposed to oral stories of the Torah & the Bible

Now before any refutations are given allow me to point out another matter:

Why Gabriel? There are only two instances in the entire Bible (thats 66 books) that Gabriel reveals who he is (or the name Gabriel.is even mentioned). Most of the time if an angel is mentioned in the Bible it is nameless. And both times Gabriel is named is to announce pregnancies. So, then why would Gabriel be specifically named to Muhammad?

I look forward to the explanations & rebuttals. I will refrain from reply for 2 days.

Please enlighten us about "pregnancy" with reference to Gabriel in Daniel 8:


15. Now it came to pass when I, Daniel, perceived that vision, that I sought understanding, and behold, there stood before me one who appeared like a man.
16. And I heard the voice of a man in the midst of the Ulai, and he called and said, "Gabriel, enable this one to understand the vision."
17. And he came beside the palace where I was standing, and when he came, I became frightened, and I fell upon my face. Then he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."
18. Now, when he spoke to me, I fell into a sound sleep upon my face to the ground, and he touched me and stood me up where I had been standing.
19. And he said to me, "Behold I am letting you know what will be at the end of the fury, for it is the end of the time.
20. The ram that you saw, the one with the horns, represents the kings of Media and Persia.
21. And the he-goat is the king of Greece, and the great horn that is between his eyes-that is the first king.
22. And the broken one, in whose stead stood four, represents four kingdoms [that] will rise from a nation, but not with its strength.
23. And at the end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have been destroyed, there will arise a brazen-faced king who understands riddles.
24. And his power will become strong, but not through his strength, and he will destroy wondrously, and he will prosper and accomplish, and he will destroy the mighty and the people of the holy ones.
25. And through his intellect, he will cause the deceit in his hand to prosper, and in his heart he will become proud, and in tranquility he will destroy many, and over the Prince of princes he will stand, and without strength he will be broken.
26. And the vision of the evening and the morning that was said is true, and you close up the vision, which will be for many days."

Daniel - Chapter 8 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible


Regards

 

[outhouse]

Nothing posted so far gives any credibility that the warrior had any divine connection


All facts point to him plagiarizing others beliefs.

 

[Britedream]

Nothing posted so far gives any credibility that the warrior had any divine connection


All facts point to him plagiarizing others beliefs.

All the shows you are putting here, are for the fact that you are trying to hide there is God. looking at the reasoning that you came up with. Nothing, is possible to create something, I don't think your drump will attract that many to dance your way.

All the best my friend.

 

[outhouse]

Islamic mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic mythology


Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology.

Why cannot any muslims accept this truth and knowledge ?


This is plagiarized mythology


I have credible sources, where are yours? imagination land?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

QUR'AN CHALLENGE

"Will they not then meditate upon the Qur'an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah they would surely have found therein much discrepancy."

“Verily, We, it is We who have sent down the Qur’an and surely we will guard it from corruption”.


Here we have a test that demonstrates that there is no error in the Qur'an, showing the truthful nature of the Qur'an. If a person disagrees, then the individual can take up the challenge to find a discrepancy in the Qur’an and when the person discovers that there is no discrepancy, then the only logical conclusion that can be derived is that whomever the author of the Qur’an is, the individual is a truth teller and righteous because all of the content in the Qur’an is without error, indecency, and immorality, and it is a guidance to righteousness. The question still remains as to who is the author? The Qur’an answers this question with the following test. The Qur’an states:

"And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your helpers beside Allah if you are truthful."

Here we have a test which proves that it is not humanly possible to produce a chapter like the Qur'an and proves so by challenging all of those who doubt so to prove so by trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an. For when trying to produce a chapter like the Qur'an, the skeptic will learn first-hand that such a thing is humanly impossible to do.

But before the a skeptic develops the common response of simply producing something in Arabic or claiming that the challenge is not valid because not being able to produce a play like Shakespeare does not mean that the play is from God so the same analogy applies to the Qur'an, let me further elaborate. The Qur'an, like any scripture, is inspiration. And like any scripture, its intent is to inspire people to follow its teaching. Thus the challenge is to produce something that is as inspirational as the Qur'an, for it is the inspiration of the Qur'an that is miraculous. And what is that miracle? The miracle is within the following:

"It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough followers to help him/her/ them conquer and rule a nation by using human-made speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

This is the miracle of Muhammad. For the challenge proves that it is humanly impossible to use any speech or literature that goes against the majority and is invented by a person/s, to inspire enough followers amongst them to help to conquer and rule a nation. The skeptic still disagrees? Then take the challenge and prove differently. Try using a speech or literature that does not agree with the likes of a majority of people that is an invention by a person/s. Then use that very same speech to inspire them to conquer a nation for you to rule and see what happens. The challenge can even be simplified by asking a skeptic to just conquer and rule the street that he or she lives on and see what happens. Yet the person will fail and fail miserably. No person will come close to achieving the challenge. Any individual, when taking the challenge, will have a first-hand eyewitness account from experience and observation that such an act is humanly impossible and that is when the person will learn the miracle of Muhammad. Why? The reason is because Muhammad used the Qur'an to inspire enough followers to help him conquer and rule a nation in the same fashion. So since it is humanly impossible to use human-made speech or literature that goes against the likes of the masses to inspire them to follow a person/s to help conquer and rule a nation, yet Muhammad used the Qur'an to do just that, then what does that mean? That means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagree, then take the challenge and prove differently.

 

[Britedream]

Why cannot any muslims accept this truth and knowledge ?


This is plagiarized mythology


I have credible sources, where are yours? imagination land?

Cedible!, Nothing would be credible after the link you gave me trying to prove there is no God. Just one more show.

 

[outhouse]

Cedible!, Nothing would credible after the link you gave me trying to prove there is no God. Just one more show.

There is no god, scientifically he does not exist, because there has NEVER been anything to test that shows he exist.

I don't have to prove god exist, you do, and you have failed. :biglaugh:

 

[outhouse]

:biglaugh:

Here we have a test that demonstrates that there is no error in the Qur'an

Not credible in any way.


I have just provided a credible link showing your warrior who could only find a 9 year olds to steal love from, plagiarized mythology he knew about.

Islamic mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic mythology


Islam incorporates many Biblical events and heroes into its own mythology.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

:biglaugh:




Not credible in any way.


I have just provided a credible link showing your warrior who could only find a 9 year olds to steal love from, plagiarized mythology he knew about.

Response: I just provided a challenge that you failed to answer, thus refuting your own sources and demonstrating the Qur'an as the true word of Allah.

 

[outhouse]

Response: I just provided a challenge that you failed to answer, thus refuting your own sources and demonstrating the Qur'an as the true word of Allah.

You provided bias garbage, and no real challenge was presented.



Do you believe your book has no mythology?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

You provided bias garbage, and no real challenge was presented.



Do you believe your book has no mythology?

Response: You failed to answer the Qur'an challenge, thus your own failure supports the fact that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah.