Muhammads knowledge divine or learned?

[outhouse]

You've been deceived-- which is hardly your own fault, I have no reason to be indecent with you.

I think it is more then deceived. Brainwashed since birth might be a more accurate description.


We can post credible evidence all day long showing 2+2 = 4 but ask a muslim and that becomes 2+2 = god did it! and no other answer is acceptable.


It is the exact same fanaticism as a YEC who denies evolution. All the credible evidence does not matter.

 

[Britedream]

I believe what I can verify. Rivers do mix into the seas; this is verifiable. To state otherwise is dishonest. You've been deceived-- which is hardly your own fault, I have no reason to be indecent with you.

I just searched and found this on the net. I did not check it.

[AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

 

[outhouse]

There are two waters that meet but don't mix in this life as a fact. .

Factually they do eventually do mix though.


That is a fact.

 

[outhouse]

I just searched and found this on the net. I did not check it.

[AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

Isnt it easier just to say mythology was used in our books, and trying to use a literal interpretation ruins the beauty?

 

[Britedream]

Isnt it easier just to say mythology was used in our books, and trying to use a literal interpretation ruins the beauty?

if this is what the verse says, it should be acknowledged, but honesty, I did not look into that nor I varified all the info, so I told you I did not check it.

 

[Sleeppy]

I just searched and found this on the net. I did not check it.

[AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

It's a contradiction. If verse 19 says that the two mix, why does verse 20 say that the barrier is so neither transgresses against the other?

 

[Britedream]

It's a contradiction. If verse 19 says that the two mix, why does verse 20 say that the barrier is so neither transgresses against the other?

Please read and understand.

 

[Sleeppy]

Please read and understand.

Believe me, I've read, and I'm trying to understand.. It just doesn't make sense. If the purpose of the barrier is so that neither of them transgresses against the other- we know this is not scientifically accurate. It's the exact opposite. It's not accurate to say there is a barrier at all, because it is a region where the two mix. It makes the verse even more contradictory when it adds the reason that the barrier is so that they do not mix. If you believe otherwise, that's fine-- I'm not trying to convince you of something so unimportant to everyday life.

 

[Britedream]

Believe me, I've read, and I'm trying to understand.. It just doesn't make sense. If the purpose of the barrier is so that neither of them transgresses against the other- we know this is not scientifically accurate. It's the exact opposite. It's not accurate to say there is a barrier at all, because it is a region where the two mix. It makes the verse even more contradictory when it adds the reason that the barrier is so that they do not mix. If you believe otherwise, that's fine-- I'm not trying to convince you of something so unimportant to everyday life.

The barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.}

The barrier conditions the water. (my understanding).
when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water

 

[outhouse]

if this is what the verse says, it should be acknowledged, but honesty, I did not look into that nor I varified all the info, so I told you I did not check it.

My only point is by reading into it to deep ruins the beauty of the passage.


No need to make it fit a literal interpretation, it was not originally written as a set in stone kind of a verse.

It matters not if it happened or not, that is not what the author intended. It is read just fine and in context without looking for a historical answer.

 

[vskipper]

I just searched and found this on the net. I did not check it.

[AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

Funny how no source is provided to verify

 

[Britedream]

Funny how no source is provided to verify

There is a reference in What Posted, go and check it.

Please do not post without reading.

 

[vskipper]

If you will review my post you will see I quoted you and there is no reference outside of the Qur'an. The reference for the breakdown of the Arabic.

 

[Britedream]

If you will review my post you will see I quoted you and there is no reference outside of the Qur'an. The reference for the breakdown of the Arabic.

What do you call this "{Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.}".

 

[outhouse]

What do you call this "{Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.}".

But they eventually and factually do mix at some point.

The inversion layers are due to temperature, which once become equalized, mixes in.

 

[outhouse]

Wow! a flaw so large in the religion, not a single follower almost 2 billion strong can defend against. Not the best Islamic professors, nor scholar.


Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history? Because plagiarized books have no credibility at all.


Maybe I will write a article called "26 words"

islam refuted in two credible sentences.

 

[Britedream]

But they eventually and factually do mix at some point.

The inversion layers are due to temperature, which once become equalized, mixes in.

when it enters the other sea, it is no longer the same water, it is conditioned by the Middle water.(my understanding).

 

[Britedream]

Wow! a flaw so large in the religion, not a single follower almost 2 billion strong can defend against. Not the best Islamic professors, nor scholar.


Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history? Because plagiarized books have no credibility at all.


Maybe I will write a article called "26 words"

islam refuted in two credible sentences.

you claimed Quran plagiarized other books, prove your claim.

 

[Sleeppy]

The barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.}

The barrier conditions the water. (my understanding).
when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water

Refers to water masses.
Water masses in the ocean - Changing circulation | National Oceanography Centre | from coast to deep ocean

The sharp density gradient at fronts generates both strong currents along the front, and baroclinic instabilities leading to enhanced mixing, vertical movement and the generation of eddies. These processes contribute to large-scale mixing and redistribution of heat and salt around the global ocean.

So if we're acknowledging that the "barrier conditions the water"-- how is this compatable with verse 20? What does it mean (to you) when it says, "between them is a barrier neither of them transgresses"?

 

[vskipper]

The Qur'an claims it came to correct the mistakes of the Bible. Thus the burden of proof lays on the Qur'an