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Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
There were three stories there. Do you have equally ridiculous excuses for the other two as well? What about the kidnapping / gang rape where police also prosecuted the victim and did not investigate the crime? In my country, a suspect is not proven innocent just by saying he's innocent. The police did not even check to see if she had been raped. They gathered no evidence except what would help them convict her of unrelated crimes.

Besides which, the innocence or guilt of the accused is completely irrelevant to my point. What sane woman would report a rape in the UAE knowing that the police are more likely to prosecute her for immorality than to investigate whether a rape took place?

i don't have to check every story here and there and what is the prurpose behind it but what i know 100% that any one who will dare to rape a woman by using force then he should be executed according to Islam and the woman will be a victim.

Brotherhood of Egypt are working to protect woman from prostitution.

The woman is a rose that we should care about,and the world certainly will be awful without women.

That is how women should be treated,just few examples

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Ahmad Bukhatir Mother ya ummi - YouTube

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SAMI YUSUF - Mother ( Anam ) - YouTube

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Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother - Emotional Speech [HD] - YouTube
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
i don't have to check every story here and there and what is the prurpose behind it but what i know 100% that any one who will dare to rape a woman by using force then he should be executed according to Islam and the woman will be a victim.

Brotherhood of Egypt are working to protect woman from prostitution.

The woman is a rose that we should care about,and the world certainly will be awful without women.

That is how women should be treated,just few examples

[youtube]6umwcuvghX0[/youtube]
Ahmad Bukhatir Mother ya ummi - YouTube

[youtube]zOHr210rQNs[/youtube]
SAMI YUSUF - Mother ( Anam ) - YouTube

[youtube]nnPRdVFAh3c[/youtube]
Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother - Emotional Speech [HD] - YouTube


Yes, the woman will be a victim of the authorities.

Your comment about protecting a rose shows the muslim attitude that women are just livestock rather than equal partners in humanity. One would say something equivalent about a prize cow.

Your recommendation of the death penalty also shows the barbarity of islam.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Really? Equating "woman is a rose that we should care about" to "women are livestock"? It is a common enough analogy over here, it doesn't imply an inference that women are somehow chattel, true it could be seen as a little archaic, perhaps even a little condescending to suggest beauty and delicacy, but certainly not sexist to such an extent that a comparison of that nature is applicable.

I also think suggesting that a society which considers the death penalty a fitting punishment for some crimes is barbaric to be rather ethnocentric - to then apply that personal judgement to islam as a whole is rather rude. Particularly when canada itself only got rid of capital punishment in 1976 and indeed very nearly re-instituted it in 1987. Personally I am not a big fan of capital punishment in most cases, but do believe it can play an effective and efficient part in the judicial process (if properly restrained) - but whether you agree with the death penalty or not, it is certainly widely accepted in many non islamic places; so to suggest that his support for the death penalty shows the barbarism of islam (rather than of societies that embrace the death penalty) is both absurd and abhorrent.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Yes, the woman will be a victim of the authorities.

Your comment about protecting a rose shows the muslim attitude that women are just livestock rather than equal partners in humanity. One would say something equivalent about a prize cow.

Your recommendation of the death penalty also shows the barbarity of islam.

How the woman is a victim of the authority and not the rapist.

if i said the woman is a rose then muslims say so and if i said the woman is a prostitute then muslims say so.

Are you serious that what ever i had said then all muslims on earth are similar to me.:facepalm:

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Flatt & Scruggs - You are my flower - YouTube

What you recommend as punishment for rapist ?

i ain't surprised now why rapists are increasing with modern style punishment.(merciful with rapists)
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
The woman is a victim of the authorities if the authorities choose to turn a blind eye to the crimes visited upon her (and even perhaps instead charge her with something unrelated) or indeed if they then assault her themselves (as has indeed occurred on occasion).

Now this does not have to happen often, it does not have to be a significant portion of police officers even, but if a woman knows that were she to approach the police they will not take her treat her courteously (as a victim of any crime should be treated, but especially a crime that is traumatic to such an extent), treat her claims seriously, investigate the case carefully and press charges where appropriate - in all cases as is their DUTY as law enforcement officials - then why would such women approach the police in the first place when they will not receive justice?

If a society tolerates the failure of the law to protect a segment of their population (such as women), then it is an indictment of the society in their implicit acceptance of the reduced protections afforded those people, the creation of a segment of the population who are lesser in status. If the men of such countries do not demand better conduct from their policing and judicial systems then what they are doing is confirming that women are second class citizens, inferior to men and unworthy of the same degree of legal protection.

I want to be clear to differentiate these legal protections from the rights and responsibilities supposedly afforded to men and women under the Quran for example. This is not a case where we can suggest that a woman's is ascribed a different role in Islam and therefore a lesser degree of legal protection in Islamic societies, if anything it is the reverse; for it was men who as those who were granted greater power were also given greater responsibility. Traditionally this would have merely been providing for the family, food, shelter and so forth as well as protecting with their greater gift of strength the family (including those less powerful, such as the elderly, children, infirm and women) from threats - that means the responsibility to use their power to protect those that they were supposedly given the duty of caring for and shielding (to the best of their ability) from hardship and duress. If anything, the different roles of men and women in Islam requires men to fulfill their duty by demanding that their policing and judicial systems give the full protection of the law to women in in Islamic societies. (And given the fact that women were given so many duties and men so few, it seems even more important for men to do a good job in those duties that they were given and have even less excuse not to)

Personally however, if I were a woman, I would not even consider visiting a country which has demonstrated a recent history of acting in such a way; if I were to be under threat and have reduced legal protection than why would I even consider going there? It would be a horrible visit where I would be afraid of getting assaulted at any time and without recourse.



edit: added a paragraph clarifying the difference between legal protections afforded citizens and religiously implied rights and responsibilities of man and woman
 
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islam abduallah

Active Member
Who's working for women?, who's working to protect her , who says tge paradise under her feets who excuete who rapes her who who pay monthly payment for her to honor her from asking others for women can't work or the other who's careful to make the women shows her attractives who make relation with many women in the same time and don't marry any of them and who makes the women working as porn stars where's the logical argument that u r talking about!!!
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
To be fair, though, those are subjective things.

Advancement isn't a priority for everyone, and what constitutes "quality of life" is pretty up in the air.

Seriously, son? :sarcastic

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Who's working for women?, who's working to protect her , who says tge paradise under her feets who excuete who rapes her who who pay monthly payment for her to honor her from asking others for women can't work or the other who's careful to make the women shows her attractives who make relation with many women in the same time and don't marry any of them and who makes the women working as porn stars where's the logical argument that u r talking about!!!
I do not need someone to protect me, I wouldn't want a rapist executed, and I pay my own monthly bills because I work. If a woman needs someone to pay the bills because she cannot work, then let her work.
But I do not understand much of your post.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Seriously, son? :sarcastic

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You posted a picture of a woman burried alive as your evidence against woman's condition in Islam.

Are you serious and do you think one piece of news make your case worth discussion.

Just show us how many similar cases have been reported from the year 1900 till today among Muslims and your reference for each case.

:areyoucra, one picture is your base for discussion.

Didn't you know about the atheist korean family called Chijon family. :facepalm:
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
Who's working for women?, who's working to protect her , who says tge paradise under her feets who excuete who rapes her who who pay monthly payment for her to honor her from asking others for women can't work or the other who's careful to make the women shows her attractives who make relation with many women in the same time and don't marry any of them and who makes the women working as porn stars where's the logical argument that u r talking about!!!

None of which treats a woman as an equal autonomous person.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Women should be protected, cherished, and honored. Seeing that they are nothing more than pretty, little idiots, somebody has to take care of them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Women of Islam - TIME
For his day, the Prophet Muhammad was a feminist. The doctrine he laid out as the revealed word of God considerably improved the status of women in 7th century Arabia. In local pagan society, it was the custom to bury alive unwanted female newborns; Islam prohibited the practice. Women had been treated as possessions of their husbands; Islamic law made the education of girls a sacred duty and gave women the right to own and inherit property. Muhammad even decreed that sexual satisfaction was a woman's entitlement. He was a liberal at home as well as in the pulpit. The Prophet darned his own garments and among his wives and concubines had a trader, a warrior, a leatherworker and an imam.
Of course, ancient advances do not mean that much to women 14 centuries later if reform is, rather than a process, a historical blip subject to reversal. While it is impossible, given their diversity, to paint one picture of women living under Islam today, it is clear that the religion has been used in most Muslim countries not to liberate but to entrench inequality. The Taliban, with its fanatical subjugation of the female sex, occupies an extreme, but it nevertheless belongs on a continuum that includes, not so far down the line, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and the relatively moderate states of Egypt and Jordan. Where Muslims have afforded women the greatest degree of equality--in Turkey--they have done so by overthrowing Islamic precepts in favor of secular rule. As Riffat Hassan, professor of religious studies at the University of Louisville, puts it, "The way Islam has been practiced in most Muslim societies for centuries has left millions of Muslim women with battered bodies, minds and souls."

For Some Muslim Wives, Abuse Knows No Borders
Here in America:

One was a shy, slender young woman who spoke no English when she was brought from Pakistan to enter an arranged marriage with a stranger in Virginia. The other was a self-confident professional, born in Turkey but raised in the United States, who thought she knew what she was doing when she married an educated Muslim man in Maryland.
Yet both women fell under the sway of the same powerful pressures that sometimes reach around the globe to keep Muslim wives in the Washington region imprisoned in abusive marriages, unable to fight the gossip and shame that come with defying their culture and religion, isolated from help that is just a three-digit phone number away.
"My husband beat. He show knife. I am scared for him, for all family," said Shamim, 21, the Pakistani bride, who was rescued by police. She is being sheltered and tutored in English at a private home. "They say no money, no call mother at home. I cook for all, I not eat. I not know 911 what is. I think I go crazy."
Shireen, the woman in Maryland, speaks with articulate chagrin about how the crushing weight of social expectation kept her in a relationship that soon turned violent. Both women's last names are being withheld at their request.
"I was perfectly happy living alone, but the family kept pushing me to marry. I wanted to show them I was a good Muslim girl," said Shireen, now 37 and divorced. When her husband became abusive, she said, relatives told her to be a better wife. When she took him to court, she said, "everyone abandoned me. I was the one who had done something wrong."
Domestic abuse is hardly unique to Muslim immigrant communities; it is a sad fact of life in families of all backgrounds and origins. Yet, according to social workers, Islamic clerics and women's advocates, women from Muslim-majority cultures face extra pressure to submit to violent husbands and intense social ostracism if they muster the courage to file charges or flee.

Abuse and Germany's Muslim women - World news - Islam in Europe | NBC News
Germany:
BERLIN — Imagine a home with so much pressure to cook, clean and take care of younger siblings that you don’t have enough time to do homework. Imagine your parents forbidding you from going out to socialize with friends from school. Imagine running away from home at 17.
This was Leyla’s life. Born in Turkey near the Syrian border, Leyla* came to Germany at the age of six with her mother and siblings to join her father, one of the many so-called "guest workers" invited by the German government during the 1960s and 1970s. (*The women interviewed for this story spoke on condition of anonymity for reasons of safety.)
Leyla excelled in German schools, but life at home was overshadowed by her parents' loveless marriage, verbal abuse from her father and few demonstrations of affection. It got worse when her older sister was married off and left home, and Leyla was suddenly thrust into the role of housekeeper and babysitter.
But do keep in mind, the UN proposal is all, not just some Muslim countries because those are far from the only places that abuse women.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Seriously, son? :sarcastic

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Uh, what do either of those pictures have to do with what I said? You said something about quality of life and advancement, not economic and cultural differences together with severe oppression.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Who's working for women?, who's working to protect her , who says tge paradise under her feets who excuete who rapes her who who pay monthly payment for her to honor her from asking others for women can't work or the other who's careful to make the women shows her attractives who make relation with many women in the same time and don't marry any of them and who makes the women working as porn stars where's the logical argument that u r talking about!!!

:facepalm:

Let woman defend herself, work for herself, protect herself.

Let her become, if she so choose, like this iconic woman:

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islam abduallah

Active Member
I do not need someone to protect me, I wouldn't want a rapist executed, and I pay my own monthly bills because I work. If a woman needs someone to pay the bills because she cannot work, then let her work.
But I do not understand much of your post.

May allah keep his graces on you always, not to try being disabe or raped or... if you examibed you will feel that
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
"examined". easy typo to make, N is next to B on most keyboards.

Fair enough... still makes no sense, though.

There are plenty of self-defense techniques and styles that women can learn that are specifically designed to repel rape attempts.
 
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